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I don’t like that it was purely made by AI, you asked why it is hated so i will tell you why i don’t like it. many people start with it, can make cool stuff by using it, but if you sat them down in front of a game engine without their "tool" they would be helpless, you are not really learning you are just telling your "worker" commands. i am not one of those people who thinks that AI should not be used at all, when i use AI I mainly ask it how I can do something and don’t say do it for me, i more so use it as a personalised web search engine. If you get a job at a game dev studio purely by using AI than great for you but i don’t think its likely.
The second problem comes when using at a game jam for example. I like to see game jams as something like a marathon for game development. Saying "well that’s cool game you made, but you could have made it better if you used pure AI" to a person who worked hard on their game is like saying "well its cool that you got from point A to point B at such a given time by running but it would have been faster to just drive a car" to a person that just finished a marathon.
In your older comments you also said that AI is similar to asset sharing..... WHAT? how is that even similar? It would be similar if you used AI to only generate the assets, but comparing the entire usage of AI to asset sharing is stupid. We game devs, junior to seniors, all understand that not everyone knows how to draw and for somebody learning to draw and to develop is too hard, which is why some people (that are absolute saints for the internet if you ask me) decided to draw assets for other to use, for free.

You also mentioned that you are new to game development, yes maybe we will all be switched for AI models, but probably not everyone, but I am telling. Those who work purely by using AI and have 0 actual knowledge will be kicked out first. I know. Game development is a steep road that is scary to start. But if you truly feel ambition to making games and it is something you are passionate you will be able to learn and get better. I hope you read the entire message cause i feel like you need it. I wish you the best and good luck in your game development journey.

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MDawg745 days ago

You're right to say that without AI, I would not have made this game. This thing I had fun making, which other people have fun playing, would not exist. I think that would be a shame. As far as "just telling your 'worker' commands," that's what happens from managers to devs at companies all the time. The managers still get credits on the game. And I have no plans to ever work at a game dev studio, so that is not a reason to stop using AI for developing my games.

Your "second problem" is a strawman. I've never told anyone that they should use AI to make their games better. I think people that enjoy making games should do it any way they want. As far as AI being like asset sharing, it is. You are using pre-made products to develop the game. In many cases, people using those assets don't have the expertise to develop them for themselves. For every "AI slop" game out there, I assure you there is an "Asset-sharing slop" game as well. You stated that you believe asset sharing is fine for people who find doing the artwork and such "hard." Some also do it because they find it uninteresting. Well, some people find coding hard or uninteresting, so they use AI. Why are they "saints" for trying to develop games in your eyes, when by extrapolation you would see someone using AI as some sort of sinner?

Assuming that people who use AI have "zero knowledge" is an assumption that is going to be a great disservice to you when meeting devs who use AI. I've been coding since 1984 when I was 9 years old, for example. As far as being "kicked out," I am not sure how I can be kicked out of something I do as a hobby, for fun, on my own time.

I wouldn't say making games is my "ambition." I would say I have fun doing it. I like making things that people enjoy. I like making things that are free to use. I like making things that kids in poor countries around the world can play on a 10-year-old phone at no cost. I have a job and several streams of income that have nothing to do with coding or game development. If you don't like the game for what it is or because it was developed by AI, that's fine. But don't presume you know what I "need to do." You don't know anything about me. This is what I do to entertain myself. Is it such a bad thing that I use AI to have some fun, and to help others have fun?

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Viotish5 days ago

I mean i get your pissed of since reading it back my comment sounded like i was looking down on you, but that was not my cause, i think i made a mistake by putting you in the same bag as other people that used AI in this game jam. I didn’t write that you wrote/said the thing that i than compared to a stupid remark about a marathon. I wrote it as a comparison since one other guy said it and I found it ridiculous, I showed it as a comparison to a real life marathon because i think it is in a way similar to a game jam and that i don’t get why people use AI in game jams since it is most of the time not allowed if you don’t actually make anything yourself and let AI do it ,which in this game jam it is not allowed but checking back that rule was only mentioned in the discord server which you can access in (https://itch.io/jam/one-button-jam-2026).
Another thing you wrote is that you didn’t get why i compared people that develop games using free assets. But if you read my comment again, that’s not what i wrote, i said/wrote that people that DRAW the assets that others can for FREE are saints since they are making something that can help others from which they don’t profit from, which I consider a very selfless thing to do.

You asked in what case i would see someone using AI as a sinner, I am not sure if you are trying to poke at me for using a word saint in my last comment but ill answer anyway. I would probably consider that a person who used it in a way that wasn’t allowed, Like for example in a game jam where having an entire game be made by AI is not allowed since the thing you add as a commission should not be made entirely by AI and should still be consider the persons work. Or for example when its disclosed that one should say that they used but they didn’t. I am not forcefully trying to point this at you since you disclosed that you used AI and also probably didn’t see the AI rule from the discord but still the link to the discord was on the same page you signed up to this game jam on.

I didn't assume that just because somebody uses AI it means they have zero knowledge what i wrote in my last comment was this:

"Those who work purely by using AI and have 0 actual knowledge will be kicked out first."

I meant that if you use AI ANNNND don’t have any knowledge. By being kicked out i meant devs from the industry being kicked out and switched for AI models. Just because i said that can happen to some people doesn’t mean that i was implying that it would happen to you.

I was not trying to tell you what to do, since you mentioned you were new to game development in one of the other comments I just assumed that you wanted to get better and wrote what i think would help you. I don't know about you but when somebody says that they are new to game development i don't think anybody would assume that that person has been coding for over 30 years. You have a job and multiple incomes cool, good for you but i don't know what that has to do with my comment. And about your last question...

"Is it such a bad thing that I use AI to have some fun, and to help others have fun?"

Well it somewhat is when it is part of a contest and your way of having fun is breaking the rules.

Anyway I hope you have a great rest of your day. I didn't write the first comment to make a personal critique on you but more so because i saw that in one of your other comments you mention that you don't get why AI gets hate so I wanted to tell you my opinion.

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Viotish5 days ago (1 edit)

The rules of the game jam are written in #faq on the discord

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