There is consensus from multiple people needed for art to become famous.
I’ll concede that there’s some overlap between famous art and art that I actually respect and enjoy, but there’s no strong correlation. Fame is not something I respect or care about. I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.
It stays art, even if you think it is less valuable art.
“Art” is an incredibly low hurdle to clear. The way I decorate my room is art. The meal I cooked on Sunday was art. The design of a box of cereal is art. Art is all around us. A better question is, is it good art? Is it worth looking at? Does it move us?
I do consider pure photography an inferior medium of creative expression. Any creative decision the photographer makes, the painter also makes. The difference is that for the painter this is just the starting point. The painter then proceeds to put the actual work into painting the picture while the photographer pushes a button. The photographer documents a moment in time. The painter makes it her own, with varying degrees of artistic embellishment.
That documentary aspect is actually the strength of the medium of photography. A photograph is interesting, not because of the creative expression of the photographer, but because it’s real in a way that a painting can never be. It’s a window through time. If I look at the Mona Lisa, I look into the mind of Leonardo da Vinci. If I look at the Afghan Girl, I’m looking at a real person. The photographer fades into the background.
The couple probably got a discount or a cheaper photographer, because they gave permission to use the photos for advertisement.
No, they got ripped off because they didn’t read the contract carefully before signing. The photographer was overpriced because he was “famous”, and the pictures weren’t even that good.
They only own their specific version of the non copyrightable fairy tales.
In practice, they own as much as their army of lawyers can grab and defend. They absolutely would claim those fairy tales as their own if they could get away with it.
Please do not try this type of fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
What, you think child abuse is worse than generative AI? On an individual basis I agree, but as a societal problem generative AI is far worse. Child abuse is an attack on individual humans, generative AI is an attack on humanity itself.
The ai model makers would just invest in obtaining training data in law abiding ways and create new models that are compliant.
I’m not arguing legality here, because plagiarism usually isn’t illegal. I sometimes argue against AI on a copyright basis, but that’s only because copyright is an actual law, not because I think private copyright violations actually matter. I don’t care if you make fan art of my games. I don’t care if you make fan games. I barely care if you download my games from Pirate Bay. I do care if you feed my games to an AI.
What I am advocating is very strict laws on what can be used to train generative AI. Public domain is no excuse. You should only be allowed to use works that you 100% created all by yourself, and that explicitly excludes photos of things you did not create. Copyright expires, authorship never does. I can include the Mona Lisa in my game, without credit even, because people know who painted it. But when it’s fed into generative AI, that authorship is erased. The output still contains elements of the Mona Lisa, but in a way that nobody can see.
Oh yeah, there’s also the possibility of “consenting” artists contributing to the training. In countries with authorship laws, authorship (unlike copyright) usually cannot be sold, for good reason. A system of paying artists to sign away their authorship is exploitative, which is a good enough reason to ban it. It will appeal to artists that are either desperate or simply lacking in artistic integrity. The former should be helped by other means; the latter can fuck right off.
Soo, it’s ethical training data, why do you not play that ai game now? You claimed you would not play it because of the “plagiarsim”. You are a hypocrite!
I don’t have to justify what I play or don’t play to anybody. But if somebody did create a game using an AI trained entirely on their own artistic output, then I would have no objections to playing it. That’s basically what a roguelike is, and I played Desktop Dungeons through to the end.
It could still be a shit game, in which case I wouldn’t play it, but I have no real objection to shit games existing. One man’s trash is another’s treasure and all that. Let the masses have their pop music and their AAA games and their modern art. It doesn’t hurt me so long as they extend the same courtesy to the art I actually enjoy. Live and let live.