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Hello, I TOTALLY understand what you're saying.

I'm aiming for HHG to be one of the best h-games of a similar art style/gameplay. (Koikatsu style with Sandbox/Navigation gameplay)
I'm not just relentlessly aiming there; I'm doing it because most games I compete in haven't improved their quality since HHG was released, to the point that, even after multiple years without updates, HHG remains one of the best for some people.

You can see images of games that have released when I've just made HHG and now, years later, and most have not improved their design/image quality or even their gameplay/systems a little bit. I mean, you can even look at recently released games. THAT is the measure I use to aim for what I want.

Of course, if you ask me if I believe HHG will be one of the best INDIE games out there, that's goddamn crazy to think. And that's not my aim. I aim to where I believe I can actually reach. And it'll be tough to contend for a position with some of those H-games that use the 3D "realistic" designs. I know some of them are really good, and I might probably never reach them.

And if it doesn't reach, it's fine. That's why we are "aiming". You can fail, and that's okay; you stand up and continue doing what you can.

Also, by "one of the best," I don't mean 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. It would be the 10th, and I would still be happy. I'm just saying this game won't go unnoticed! :D

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Yet, they are playable. I think it would be really admirable if you backed up these ambitions with turning off your Patreon and Subscribestar until the release of Chapter 1, to show us that you truly are focused on the game itself and not simply the revenue. 

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I half disagree with Platinum here, because I understand both sides of this story. 

Making a game, a good game at that, takes time and effort. And bills need to be paid in the meantime. The longer it takes, the more money is needed. 

However, the people that is giving that money also have expectations. They expect results. They expect that the money is being fairly used, and not taken advantage of. 

Turning off completely revenue sources isn't a show of anything but suicide, which in turn would mean having to halt the game production completely. However, if something isn't done soon, supporters will leave and the result will be the same, if not worse because it could lead to legal actions being taken to investigate that you haven't been scamming people. 

You need to make a choice. Reach a compromise, release some form of content that proves your work so far, appease the masses and continue development slowly but surely, playing for the long run. Or risk it all by waiting until the last moment. 

What matters to you is that the end result is of the highest quality possible. You don't need to reach it in one go. You CAN improve over time, and polish the product little by little. That's the point I was trying to make earlier. That by passing so much time trying to be a perfectionist, you're only making things worse for yourself. 

And mind you, I'm not even that interested in the unfinished product. I wouldn't play it, I don't have the time. But I'm worried that this project will fail altogether if something isn't done soon to beat the allegations of scam. The currently available build is no longer enough for most people. It's obsolete. And if what you said is true, it's not a trustworthy example of how the final game will be like, since you've been improving it so much... Right? 

It's time to prove it. 

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I understand where you're coming from; but we have almost certainly crossed somewhere around half a million dollars of patron funding across all his financing sources. I assume this is on top of a regular day job, or was in the beginning. 

Are we going to see half a million dollars worth of content? Are all the characters voice acted now? There are a lot of questions when the money reaches these levels with nothing to show for it. There was a time when we were providing him over 10,000 USD a month for his general living expenses and that's for the cost of living in a relatively inexpensive country compared to the United States so the actual impact of that would be much higher. 

If he turns off his revenue streams: did he spend half a million dollars somehow? He should have enough money saved to not need Patreon or SubscribeStar for months, or years. Where did the money go? Did he spend that money on the game? Or did we give someone half a million dollars to spend doing anything but releasing content?

I'm not against creators having Patreons and I understand the concept of being a patron of the arts. But there is a line that can be crossed where it becomes egregious, and I believe we have crossed that line at this point. 

Don't get me wrong, I agree that the sum is high for a game like this, and that is why I'm asking for poof that the money is being spent responsibly. Voice actors could be a thing, commissioning a full OST too, upgrade materials for systems, or hiring a small team to help with translations, coding, 3d rendering, etc. I'm not saying that these are a must, but that they're the usual money drainers in big game project developing. Not counting living expenses. 

I don't have near enough experience with economics to dare calculate approximate expenses up to date, how much money should be left, and how many months this dev should still be able to sustain themselves without further income. What I do know, is that Patreon is a voluntary thing. Anyone thinking that they've invested enough, or that the de should be good to go for a while without further investment, can cancel their plan at any time without consequences. And as far as I know, more and more people are reaching that level. Even if the dev doesn't turn it off, they're going to reach the point of having no backers left.

Which is why I said they have two choices now, either wait it out until that point, or take action. And to take action would mean to prove that the money up to date has been responsibly used, and showing us some results of where has it been invested into. Of course, even if he doesn't, and things continue as-is, people will get mad and sue, starting an investigation. Patreon follows the same principle as Kickstarter, so usually they don't meddle, but if it can be proven that the creator is essentially scamming the patrons, they should take matters into their own hands. At that point, there's nothing else we could do but wait for a sentence. But until then, there's still time left to release a build that makes a statement. And based on that, people can decide to drop their patronage or back it up further. 

If we take solo indie devs as examples, both Undertale and Omori took a bunch of years to finish. They had way less budget to work with, but with the inflation things are also more expensive now than then. Am I expecting that HHG becomes something of that caliber? No, of course not. But I'm illustrating the key difference that those had a one-time income via Kickstarter, so they didn't had the need to keep releasing devlogs to keep investors engaged, and they still had to face some criticism by the later years before releasing the final product. HHG is backed via monthly income, so at the bare minimum there's the need for reporting regularly what's being done. Apparently they're using Discord for that, so you can go there and take a look yourself. But still, it's not enough anymore to serve as proof of concept, *that's* what I've been trying to say, what I would like for you to take away from my musings. I'm agreeing with you on that front. 

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1st- You agreed to help-- it's a "donation"... meaning if you weren't comfortable donating, stop. Simple. Anyone that keeps up with the Discord had the right --at any time-- to cancel their membership and ride free if they are IN ANY WAY uncomfortable with how the money they gave away is being spent, just like anyone that didn't, or felt they were being kept in the dark.
2nd- Make no mistake: you are NOT paying for a product. You're donating -aka giving away- money to a developer. It's right there in the TOS for Patreon, Subscribestar, and any number of platforms like it. It isn't a bill. It's not a charge. It's a donation. You can even get it back through the right processes on Patreon. Stop acting like they're robbing anyone, or even conning them, because they didn't force anyone into membership. You're calling them grifters because they aren't doing things according to YOUR business model? That's ballsy. Nobody got here at gunpoint, and nobody is getting scammed. You can download it free--> if you like it, you can check out the Patreon/SS--> if you feel like it, you can donate--> if you don't, you still get it for free--> if you're not happy with how it's going, you can cancel.
3rd- There is nothing misleading, here... his progress reports here are not hidden. Anyone can see how long it's taking, and if they want more info, the Discord is there to help. Quit whining, put away your self-righteous indignation, and move on, if you are an adult that isn't satisfied.
P.S. putting anyone's finances on blast in a public forum is in poor taste-- a bullying tactic-- don't come here claiming you meant to do anything but harm those finances by chasing away supporters, present and future. Anyone curious can look, yes, but it is also possible to hide those numbers, and I would imagine Komi left them public for transparency-- rather a poor tactic for someone looking to hide something, yeah?
Low-class cheap shot.