itch.io

Ok, so, at the moment, there's two points I actually care to respond to in that post:

First, I've been all-inclusive when I refer to art - not just any kind of artistic creation, I've been using "art" as a catch-all term for literature, music, movies, paintings on walls that were found in caves, all of it. This entire time, YOU have been the one with the stick up your ass about me "clearly not being an artist", yet you have the utter audacity to suggest that YOU weren't the one to draw a line in the sand when it comes to "being an artist"? Holy fucking shit, Batman, that certainly sounds like cognitive dissonance to me - or at least it's some kind of walk-back of what you said before. I've also been using it pretty clearly - you just don't know what any of it means, but that's something for the next point.

Second, I specified DOOM 2016 because I didn't play Eternal, so any of the information or lore that comes from the sequel is not something I am cognizant of, and it's something I am entirely ignorant of. Regardless, sci-fi AI is not the same thing as real-world LLMs, like at all, so I'm kinda confused on why you're even bothering to bring it up when you don't even know the difference between machine-learning "AI" and "AI" that's just repetitive tasks done by a computer, stop trying to muddy the waters to defend a point that you apparently don't even have? I'm confused, are you bringing up the fictional character of VEGA as an AI to try and twist my point into being actually incorrect? My guy, you don't know what you're talking about, stop confusing yourself, it's not real. I don't recall the lore regarding VEGA's existence, but generally in fiction, AI is depicted as being as intelligent as human beings - if not more so, so it theoretically could make sense to install it as a kind of guidance for humans. Not to mention that there's plenty of hypotheticals that I could come up with that could justify the use of a super-human fictional AI, so unless you're going to legitimately argue to me how this video game is actually real (or something as equally psychotic), I don't know why you're trying to get me with the idea of a non-existent character being included in it. Because it's fiction. There's lots of shit in fiction that people do with a story that I also disagree with on some level - but I'm not just going to outright disregard an entire piece of media just because it includes something that has a passingly vague resemblance to a real-world thing that I wasn't even aware of because it didn't hit the cultural consciousness at the time it released. Do you think I enjoy and reference Postal and Postal 2 because of their "moral outlook"? What about the Portal games with GLaDoS? Or Silent Hill 2 with James Sunderland? Please, god, tell me that I misinterpreted what you meant, because that is an incredible fucking statement. After thinking this through, I think I should spend even more time dogging on you for making that post, just by thinking through those two points. I cannot imagine someone so far up their own ass could be so fucking insane, but good lord. You AI-cultists really know how to pick your battles, but god damn you're apparently not defending AI after all this? Really? No, I think you're so full of crap with that suggestion that it's spilling out of your ears, your rationale for everything (especially with this post) is beyond twisted and it's really laughable.

You know what, okay, once again I have to capitulate the point that I'm probably a bit Reddit, but with how ass your reasoning seems to be from where I'm sitting currently, I have to admit that by using it for so long, I imagine that you would be pretty damn good at identifying it, so there you go. Have a fuckin' field day with that one, cause this post made me laaaaaugh, holy fuck. I am cackling like a goddamn WITCH right now - now it's funny, now I'm really fuckin' interested in this. And that comment you just made is part of the reason why I unblocked and responded to you - because it certainly seemed like it'd be funny to respond to you, and you know what, I apparently have some really good intuition. But yeah, sure, I'm Reddit, according to you. I'll be fine with taking that one to the grave, 'cause jesus-H-christ-on-a-bike, the Reddit moderator atomic blast of rot you are giving off really puts my pithy little farts into perspective. Good job. Keep up the good work, you earned all of my Reddit updoots today, m'lady.

I find it laughable that you say I'm posting a wall of internet expert - and while I don't disagree that I'm posting walls of shit to read (my other post on this comment would obviously fall under that categorization to some degree), you are the one who originally responded to me with your comment telling me about how human beings "can't recreate what LLMs do" as if that was the point of the discussion, rather than it being that human beings can do as good as LLMs, and not in some absolute scientific "what qualities of X, Y, and Z are there in this piece of work". You are the one claiming to be a programmer who knows all sorts of stuff about this and that when it comes to art, but I'm the one who is apparently trying to be the "expert". In what regard and where have I made this claim? I don't recall saying anything like that, but I do recall repeating what others have said things that to me, make sense. I'm not an expert on any topic - but apparently you are.

Anyway, back to what you were saying with that post - I've tried looking up what LUT means - but it doesn't make any sense to me, so I’m also not going to bother trying to learn about something if the other person I’m talking to acts like they’re hot shit when they're clearly not. Thing is that if you're not willing to try to teach others that "aren't your audience", then where does "your audience" start and end? Does someone become "your audience" if they listen to you unconditionally without any kind of question or pushback when they want clarification or explanation? Because that sounds more like you'd just want a doormat to talk at, rather than someone who would be interested in engaging with what you're saying.

But you know what, you're right - I'm not your audience, because you came into this thread all high and mighty about how "what LLMs do can't be recreated by human beings" and got butthurt when I called your word-sewage incomprehensible. As a teacher, generally you need to be able to not only give explanations for stuff that people don't understand, but also talk to the other person as an equal so they don’t feel disrespected, and you kicked off this entire discussion by speaking as though you're the authority on everything that you're talking about, rather than trying to inform me about what I'm wrong about. Again, the "respect" part is the big thing here - or, at least for this discussion. 

I don't necessarily have a problem with being told that I'm wrong for one reason or another, but how you do it is the important part, and you've been doing it pretty poorly, so why should I bother learning anything from someone like you? I'm better off getting it from a book or anywhere else that isn't so up-its-own-ass. Even based on my original post, you expected that type of person to learn from you? What kind of delusional fantasy-land are you living in? Obviously if you talk shit to someone who acts like I do, they're not exactly gonna want to listen to you, ya fuckin' ding-dong. What did you think this is? We’re in the comment section of a porn game. On the internet. This all seems like it just comes down to you not understanding what the tone is of the current discussion - it just goes to show that you didn’t either think or care to employ any kind of social comprehension.

But don't worry - I'm gonna keep posting like I have been, because your posts come off as though you're insecure and need to make up for it through talking down to me (or trying to, at least). Sadly for you, I'm also not just gonna let you spew your insecure garbage at me without telling you what it is - obviously. I really don't know what you expected out of this entire exchange. Again, comments of a porn game. There’s not usually a lot of knowledge that’s being exchanged under these sorts of circumstances in my experience, but you keep your weird expectations.