Post by cdelorme in Formula for sex skill values?

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I actually share concerns about the succubus build because while it is very strong it seems to be unbalanced and the formula doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I know the wiki is not a source of truth, but it lists the damage formula as `(CON / 2) + (Hole Exp * 2)`.

Neither melee nor magic builds are dependent on their respective personality traits. If we are just talking about damage dealt then Tough is barely 12 COM, and Timid is a meager 10 WIZ, as compared to Nymphomaniac which is the equivalent of 50 CON. This makes mixed succubus builds much less viable until a higher level.

Another mystery is that Whore of Babylon does not raise the sex attack but rather the cap on sex attack, specifically from 100 to 150. However unless my math is wrong even if you dump 100 CON **and** take both Nymphomaniac and Prostitue you only end up with 100 sex attack.

For clarification, is that 48,000 experiences per hole, or is that total? Because this is where things get confusing to me, as I have a save with 40 CON, Nymphomaniac, Prostitute, 997 Vagina Sex, 34 Anal Sex, a Micro Vagina (not sure how), a Tight anus, and somehow I have 105 vagina skill and 79 Anal Skill. By the maths I should have a baseline of 70 (25+25+20) prior to the application of hole exp, and I know the hole size matters but I'm not sure what is the baseline. I guess Whore of Babylon supposedly also changes to formula to `Hole Exp * 3`, but I'm not sure from the wiki description how that actually works since it's clearly not `(40/2)+(997*3)`.

If I assume that 48000 number to be per-hole, then I should have at lease a baseline of `1 vagina skill` for every 480 vagina sex, but when I rebirth the default computed value shows 0 vagina skill, and even after unlocking Nymphomaniac/Protitute/Succubus only reflects the initial traits, making me wonder if inheriting memories is working or not.

Also, Bloodlust says sex attacks now deal hp damage, but I'm not sure if that's always beneficial. Since the wiki claims sex attacks supposedly ignore defenses, does bloodlust change that in any way? Does this also mean if it takes more than one juicing and they recover will they become aggressive as if I had hit them instead of continuing to use grab attacks?

I don't mind a grind, but the confusion about how the formula actually works, and extreme investment tradeoff for Nymphomaniac as compared to melee or magic builds prevents you from experimenting with a hybrid build until much higher in level, makes me wonder if that could be reworked in any way.

annuilein55 days ago

too long didn't read but based on glance the bloodlust damage is infact targeted against defense

Not a Slave Trader55 days ago (4 edits)

After this long message I started to remember myself as almost a year ago when I said exactly the same thing that LonaRPG Miraheze has no clear/wrong info or even empty info about regular things and after some days I wrote a long message about that the reputation system in the game does not work properly (The Problem of Morality) and after that somebody later told me almost the same thing - "too long - can't read";)

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I've just been in this place before
Higher on the street
And I know it's my time to go
Calling you, and the search is a mystery
Standing on my feet
It's so hard when I try to be me, woaaaaaah~

cdelorme54 days ago

I get that my post was long, so I'll try to summarize:

Nymphomaniac = 50 CON

Tough = 12 COM

Timid = 10 WIZ

Where am I going to get 50 trait points so I can experiment with a mixed build using weapons expert or mana control? Unbalanced in regards to Nymphomaniac being too powerful to ignore, as compared to melee or magic builds that can afford to skip their personality traits.

Whore of Babylon raises the sex skill cap from 100 to 150, but you'd need to sink 100 traits into CON just to get 50 sex skill, meaning even with all the traits combined you'd barely reach 100, so it seems like Whore of Babylon is _only_ useful if you intend to grind hole exp.

At 48000 per hole, 480 = 1 sex skill, why if inheriting memories is it not reflected in sex stats after rebirth?

Damage Formula unclear, dick caught in coaster, send help. Thank you for clarification on Bloodlust.

Not a Slave Trader54 days ago

Nymphomaniac = 50 CON... Whaaaat?;)
Where did you even find this?

cdelorme54 days ago (1 edit)

I realize the personality traits do more than pump stats, but I am simply pointing out how wildly unbalanced Nymphomaniac bonuses are compared to the other two personality traits.

Nymphomaniac gives you 25 Vagina/Anal Skill. Every point of CON is 0.5 Sex Skill. It would take you 50 CON to give you the equivalent 25 Sex Skill.

By comparison Tough gives you 6 ATK, and each COM is worth 0.5 ATK, so Tough is worth at least 12 trait points added to COM.

Again, this is ignoring the other affects they add, as well as the effects of enemy defenses, but my point is that choosing to forgo Nymphomaniac as opposed to Tough or Timid for melee and magic puts you at a massive disadvantage if you wanted to pickup Weapons Expert or Mana Control for a mixed build.

If I wanted a build that could use Weapons Expert and Mana Control I can easily ignore Timid and Tough traits without needing 50 trait points to make up the lost damage potential.

annuilein54 days ago

whore of babylon gives a similar boost to nymphomaniac to sum it up nicely sex builds are mostly trait based and you only need 16 or 36 con to meet cap thresholds like for healing buffs depending on if deepone or not

Not a Slave Trader55 days ago (6 edits)

cdelorme - "I actually share concerns about the succubus build because while it is very strong it seems to be unbalanced and the formula doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I know the wiki is not a source of truth, but it lists the damage formula as `(CON / 2) + (Hole Exp * 2)"

Aaaaaaahhhhh... another one;)

Nympho Lona is both a very strong and very weak class at the same time.

You don't really need a lot of sex hole exp but more like CON stat because you can't deal these big hole-damage numbers without CON stat because if the enemy has more CON stat than yours CON stat then you just waste a lot of stamina and deal less h-damage therefore you need more CON stat than enemy + hole-damage bonus. For example - try to grab in the arena the Beast boss (100 CON stat) and see what will happen.

And if you have a lot CON stat like 40-50 points then you can easily knock out almost any enemy per 1-2 seconds especially if you have a lot of WEAK stat because then the enemies will stand right in front of you and will not try to hit you but only try to rape you until you kill someone in front of them using juicing skill.

BUUUUUT...

Nympho Lona without Sea Witch race is kinda weak sometimes because she can't use magic or powerful weapons like Halberd or Saber or dagger or even a regular bow and in the crowd of monster you will most likely be killed because you can't protect yourself with standart weapons and a lot of CON stat even with big WEAK stat... which means you’ll probably use the hunter traits as well (SUR stat) buuuuut... it doesn’t always save you... and most of the time you try to have no more than 1-2 opponents or you lose all your things (can surrender to survive) or you just die.

cdelorme - "Also, Bloodlust says sex attacks now deal hp damage, but I'm not sure if that's always beneficial. Since the wiki claims sex attacks supposedly ignore defenses, does bloodlust change that in any way? Does this also mean if it takes more than one juicing and they recover will they become aggressive as if I had hit them instead of continuing to use grab attacks?"

Bloodlust with Sex Atk is not for Nympho Lona it's for Hybrid Sadistic class Lona with stun weapon like whip + dagger.

-> COM 30 + CON 15 + Bloodlust + Juicing + Weapons Expert.
Stun enemy with a whip or club and use Juicing skill + you can torture them:)

When you grab someone then you deal the damage directly to the enemy's health and no matter how much sex hole exp you have the most importantly how much COM and CON stat you have. And... even if you don't have a Bloodlust they try to attack you anyway if they recover after juicing.

If something is still unclear - just ask~

cdelorme54 days ago

Greatly appreciate the response, sorry for being so wordy.

I understand CON is necessary because the orc butcher for the Rescue my Daughter quest is impossible to kill with juicing unless you have quite a bit of it. I was more stating that the investment is unbalanced because of the sex skill value from Nymphomaniac being equivalent to 50 trait points in CON, making it hard to give up if you wanted to play a mixed build. No other build has that same extreme trade-off.

Trying to understand whether Whore of Babylon is useful since you barely reach the cap of 100 sex skill if you put 100 CON and also take Nymphomaniac and Prostitute, which makes me think it only matters if you are grinding Hole Exp? I guess it also restores some STA/HP when you land a critical sex attack, but what is a critical sex attack? Is it the same as Overkill like from Bloody Mess?

Are you saying Sex Skill does not matter, or does it not matter specifically when you take Bloodlust?

Does COM matter more than CON if you take bloodlust, or is it just more viable for a mixed build since you'd also be using weapons? In that case is it only COM or does equipment start to matter, like the hooded cloak, or weapons that boost ATK?

I am also unsure whether I understand juicing damage, since I see yellow and purple numbers, and I assumed yellow was stamina, but what is purple? Does Bloodlust convert one of these to HP damage, or does it add HP damage ontop of these?

I am enjoying moot abomination for the tentacle whip, but I haven't tried the regular whip. Since there are very few scenarios that force you into a brawl with many targets I can easily get through most content with some planning and frag mines, as well as the Musket.

I really do not understand how to make Deep One viable since it feels like every minor encounter requires transformation, but then I'm gobbling potions after. Is there some mechanic I am missing or guide to making Deep One feel fun instead of high maintenance?

I also noticed when cleaning privates after anal sex I always get unknown semen back. Is that a bug, or working as intended? I have been avoiding using it because I generally want to collect specific semen types to get the Seedbed state.

Not a Slave Trader54 days ago (2 edits)

Yeaaah... maybe Nympho sex atk equivalent 50 CON stat... but if you really have a 50 CON stat without Nympho trait then you have:
200+ STAmina
400+ carry stat
250 HP
...and 50 CON stat also boost the Holy Magic attack and heal which is big difference.

Whore of Babylon can be useful because you can cause extra yellow critical damage which often helps in different hybrids build if you don't have a lot of CON stat and actually it helps a lot when the world danger level goes up to 100 and very thick opponents appear with 1000 STAmina and a lot of CON stat, so the Whore of Babylon begins to play with other colors because a big yellow crit saves you very much.

About Bloodlust sex atk welp... the more COM you have the more sex hp damage you deal but without CON stat you can't deal any hp damage at all if enemy has much CON stat than yours and you waste a lot of stamina therefore you mostly need COMBAT stat than CONSTITUTION stat but without CON you just can’t do anything. Like i said before it's for sadistic Lona build with stun weapon like whip or club + dagger because the weapon damage does not really affect on Bloodlust sex atk but only your COM and CON stats and you basically need to stun your opponent with weapon and after that juicing or inflict many injuries that will reduce the enemy speed and and because of this you can easily grab and it can also be safely used with traps that just as well slow down or stun (BTW - you can also use tentacle whip to stun enemies but if you have a lot of ATK then tentacle whip will no longer just stun but kill most of the time).

Weeeell.. i don't really like Musket because it's very slow and Musket damage does not break through DEF or SUR stat therefore a usual fire/lightning/water magic or even a regular bow is more useful than Musket and the only meaning to use Musket is from ambush or with somebody who can tank all damage while you're shooting at someone.

about Frag mine...
1 Frag mine = very big damage 200+ (The damage is not dependent on any stat value)
10 Frag mine = you can kill the strongest boss in the game
It's easier to buy at night from Lisa than to make it yourself and to carry them it's also more easily on the horse.
It’s funny fact that if you play as Nympho Lona you have a lot of carry stat which means you are literally sex bomb because you can carry a lot of explosives while the other personality can't;)

cdelorme - "I really do not understand how to make Deep One viable since it feels like every minor encounter requires transformation, but then I'm gobbling potions after. Is there some mechanic I am missing or guide to making Deep One feel fun instead of high maintenance?"

Phah... PHAhAHHA.... phahaah... PHAHAHAHHA... pha..Ph.a.h...a..h... khm-khm sorry.
I'm laughing so hard because I literally said the same thing to the moderators about this problem but they tell me that everything is fine about Sea Witch race x Nympho Lona and nothing needs to be changed but in fact there are quite a lot of problems there that need to be described in 1 huge post so i'am just told you that the Sea Witch race is more profitable for Timid lona than Nympho Lona because most of Sea Witch skills depends on WIS stat than CON stat and you need to often shapeshift to Sea Witch and back again... but if you play as Nympho without this form you are not so strong... and in principle you can just hold the throw stone button and wait a whole minute until all the bad effects pass (I personally fed up and just removed these Sea Witch debuffs from the game at all because these Sea Witch debuffs do nothing but only waste your time) aaaaaaahhhh... just... screw it all... this needs to be reworked... but if you want to play as Sea Witch - just play. I won't dissuade you but prepare for that is currently uncomfortable.

Unknown semen = 1% of 1 Seedbed state (you can get it almost everywhere but you need about 200-300 if you want 10 stucks)
Mutated Mushroom = 5% of 1 Seedbed state (you can get it only in the dead forest and you need only about 100 if you want 10 stucks)
Mutated Mushroom is a drug therefore the more WIS you have the more Mutated Mushroom you can find + Mutated Mushroom very expensive for sale.

cdelorme54 days ago(+1)

I agree, CON is an amazing trait with loads of other benefits, I was simply saying that the cost of Nymphomaniac is a single trait point, same with Tough, but if Sex Skill to Juicing is the same as ATK is to melee then Nymphomaniac is 4 times as potent as Tough for the same price, hence unbalanced. A melee build can easily make up the difference with COM, a succubus build cannot.

I found Musket useful for taking out many weak enemies, like rats, or skeletons, where you can outrun them, and the only reason I mention it is because every other AOE weapon you listed either requires Mana Control or Weapons Expert, which was the original problem. Perhaps I haven't played as much at world level 100 to notice the DEF/SUR issue.

I know about the mutated mushroom, but I can get hundreds of orc semen infinitely faster and with less danger than I can gather Mutated Mushrooms. This could be another wiki not being correct problem, but according to the wiki only orc and abomination semen add seedbed, with orkind being a 2% rate. Perhaps I'll have to try consuming Unknown again to see whether I get stacks of Seedbed.

Funny that we've had the same experience with DeepOne Lona, also thanks for all the details on Bloodlust. I love the game, so I only bring these issues up in hopes that it gets even better for everybody.

Not a Slave Trader54 days ago (2 edits)

Anyway the Tough Lona kill faster than Sea Witch Nympho Lona especially if you play as Abomination Tough Lona + Halberd because it's like... 100-125 damage per hit if you have only 40 COM stat therefore you can literally kill a whole crowd just in 10-15 seconds same as OP Timid Lona mage that can deal 120+ lightning damage per 1 sec or Fire Spell Book which can kill almost anyone if you have 40 WIS stat (And you also need to remember that there are a lot of things for the mage now that makes mage is kinda very powerful creature with unbreakable 25-30 DEF stat). These are the two strongest builds in the game right now. And if you know how broken the Katana is... weeeelp... you can even deal 300-400 damage per 1 hit.

cdelorme - I found Musket useful for taking out many weak enemies, like rats, or skeletons, where you can outrun them, and the only reason I mention it is because every other AOE weapon you listed either requires Mana Control or Weapons Expert, which was the original problem. Perhaps I haven't played as much at world level 100 to notice the DEF/SUR issue.

Spending 1 point to use a special weapon is not a problem but in any case the Musket has weak DPS and it weighs twice as much as a regular Bow which can be more useful than Musket especially since a Bow hits everyone in path while a musket only hits 1 target and Bow deal more damage than Musket per 1 hold shot + Bow is much safer than Musket because the enemy is thrown back and also slows down.

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