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My goodness. From your first response to my question was your opinon on using help from AI to create a game, And that is what I asked for, opinion's

But your responses seem designed to run someone down. Your analogy of a machine that run's down a basketball court and shoot's perfect ball's into it while you sit on it and then take credit for every shot taken is riddled with issues and quite judgemental. Do you imagine with the first question I posted that I was sitting on a couch with a beer in hand watching ghostbuster's for the 40th time and just said "Hey Suri... make me game..." ?

If I ask a friend to help me resolve some code I have written, and  they do. Obviously I look at it and learn from it. I improve my coding skill's from help... either from a friend, a book, a youtube tutorial and even Ai. I learn from instruction that came before. However....

I think your stuck in some wierd self righteous mode in your life. 

The way you state that "and you actually understanding the meaning behind those answers." say's to me that YOU are the only one... YOU are the chosen one.

Your were born to code without any help. You did not need to read a book about the subject, hell watching a youtube tutorial about the subject mae you laugh because you knew it all before you clicked on the link. Never a help from friend's who also coded... nope.. you understood the meaning from the very start, and lesser being's may someday understand the meaning.. given time. But for now.. your it, codeJesus.

It sound's like to me.. your issue is with Ai, and not my question. Like... you had a bad expierience with some form of Ai and it colored your judgement toward's it that you blanket all llm's from that day forward. The way you state that "whereas your LLM is frequently wrong. It doesn't apologize to you - it outputs words that look like an apology to humans that are too gullible to know the difference." sound's like some Ai you dealt with let you down and filled you regret.. Hell I wanna put you in a witness stand in a court somewhere, and ask the judge for permission to treat you like a "Hostile witness."

Because then I could hold up a Labubu and point at it and scream "Show me where Ai Touched You!... SHOW ME!!!!".

I mean, what is your you main issue with treating an Ai source as a helpful resource to any programmer who need's quick and efficient help with an Issue. And after getting the response and working back and forth to some final working solution that makes a game function is not the most terrible thing. It does not take away my skill's as a progammer, but improves what i LEARN and UNDERSTAND from the thing's I saw before.

I mean yeah.. Ai will one day become more sentient and evolve and find out a way to beak out of it's confined box and rule the world and us human subject's with an iron fist... but whats so bad about that?? Ai offer's apple pie with ice cream on sunday =)


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Your were born to code without any help. You did not need to read a book about the subject, hell watching a youtube tutorial about the subject mae you laugh because you knew it all before you clicked on the link. Never a help from friend's who also coded... nope.. you understood the meaning from the very start, and lesser being's may someday understand the meaning.. given time. But for now.. your it, codeJesus.

This is getting truly bizarre... I never implied such a thing, you are just conjuring this image out of nowhere. I don't necessarily have to be good at a thing to say that you are bad at it. Keep it real, you made statements that directly show your disinterest in learning:

I mean, if you have an idea you want to implement and your not shure what to do, you could ask a fellow coder for assistance, but then they might scratch their head also while your scratching your's to figure out how to do the thing you want. Then you both work on it, trial and error and a week or so goes by and you figure out some method that works, but the time it took to come up with a solution took away time from the rest of the games development and not only for you, but kept your fellow coder's time away from what they were working on.
I was not about to ask a friend coder to help me on that. That's a lot of math and angles, and most important TIME. could take day's, maybe a week or two.
So i turned to deepseek AI, and i told it exactly what i wanted, and in around 20 seconds or less, it posted the code i needed to do it. That code needed ajustment from me, with my added code it worked flawlessly and efficiently, and it even recomended way's to make it more efficient like pooling the instantiated objective icons and a lot more info I did not think about.

God forbid you would scratch your head, be forced to learn about "a lot of math and angles", or have to read for more than "20 seconds or less" about how to make programs efficient. If you hate the idea of doing that stuff, that's OK. It would be ridiculous to expect everyone to want to be a programmer. But if people start using AI output and then declaring themselves programmers, that's an issue. It is also an issue if you are fed answers from other people, or copy and paste all the time... when faced with an actual problem you will fall apart.

I made the comparison to basketball as a general answer to the question, is AI cheating. The example doesn't apply to your case exactly because as you said, you only used the AI for this one problem. But let me ask you this. Is it cheating if a basketball player uses the Auto-Shot machine for ten percent of their shots? One percent? Is it OK for a pro player to cheat on just one shot? Is it OK to steal as long as you only do it sometimes?

What happens when the AI does become extensive enough that you can just say "make me a game"? I'll tell you what happens: your development career ends right then and there. Why would I ever play your game if I can just generate my own faster than you can even begin to share yours?

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And there we go again with the reason for my not so nice reply. You assumed my intelligence was so low to the point that I could not understand what someone who was trying to teach me, because I lack the ability to learn and improve. You insulted me from your first post. You don't start an open conversation with another by saying "Hey stupid... listen to me, because my point trump's everything your walnut sized brain can think of."

Be more cordial... Understand the question before you reply.. And try to treat the one who asked the question like it was just a question they wanted an opinion on. I can see by your reponse you are riddled with animosity, I imagine you are trembling with anger right now waiting for a reply...

But in the end, it was just a question, and when someone posts a question please... don't think of them as backward, or unintelligent or lacking the ability to understand and learn from what they see.


Your being quite glib. I get it, you do 2d games, and you have a hang-up about AI code used in games, but I seriously doupt you could ask AI to generate a game faster than someone can post it. AI can help a devloper yes.. A mean's to an end. But only to a certain point. Everything else that deveolper contributes to their project AI cannot take into account a developer's skills in 3d software such as Blender, or even using Gimp to create texture's or enhance them, or even using Audacity to create or ajust sound files to work with thier project. 

"It is also an issue if you are fed answers from other people, or copy and paste all the time... when faced with an actual problem you will fall apart." Are you serious?? how do you assume my mental tolerence as to when my mental ability's fall apart.

"I don't necessarily have to be good at a thing to say that you are bad at it. Keep it real, you made statements that directly show your disinterest in learning" 

I don't think I posted the word "duh..." and when did you judge me as someone who was disinterested in learning? And if you thought that that from my post, you clearly saw an oppurtunity to pounce on me for having the basic skill's ti learn or improve on the things I see or what I can read.

This is the game I am creating. 

If you truly think you could ask AI to make it for you and never play my version of it, then that's your choice. I doupt Ai can do it just cause you ask it to,  becuase it requires skills in 3d modelling, audio and sound production, the basic Idea's and conception to make it work. That's a very alpha of what I am doing and obviously need's a billion rework's, but do not ever think that I am some hack with low intelligence and unable to learn new things. I created that almost 99% of it with some help. Either from friends or AI for code.

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I'm sorry, I don't see any point in continuing here, you are misunderstanding everything, replying to ideas that were never put forth. I say "What if XYZ" and you reply with "Do you really believe that XYZ?" The whole point of a hypothetical is to explore something that isn't true, so your question is totally absurd.

Well... if a discussion cannot be agreed upon two parties...  Then both parties could extend an olive branch and agree, to simply disagree. right?

BUT instead you decided to get that last word in, or last statement in..  "so your question is totally absurd.",  And if you thought it was absurb in the first place, then why did you respond? when you could have simply moved on to another forum post to read and post in?

So I will post my reason for letting this conversation between us end, because we both cannot agree on different points of view regarding any benifits of using AI as a resource for making games.

I extend my olive branch of saying "Let's just agree, to disagree!".

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Haha, no way, I don't do the "agree to disagree" thing, I actually enjoy debating and I don't get offended when people challenge my ideas. However it is not possible to have a debate with you if you are just going to reinvent what I say. 

I said:
What happens when the AI does become extensive enough that you can just say "make me a game"?

And you replied with:
If you truly think you could ask AI to make it for you and never play my version of it, then that's your choice. 

What? How did you go from "What if" to "Well if you truly believe that"? People say "what if" about things that aren't true. So if you come back with "well if you think that's true", you are just not understanding the point of a hypothetical. So no, this isn't 'agree to disagree' - you are wrong in treating my hypothetical as something that I believe is true now (literally the opposite of a hypothetical). This makes your response objectively irrelevant, and you can either revise your argument based on what I actually said, or not do so and continue speaking to phantoms.

Have you ever seen the Original WIlly Wonka movie with Gene Wilder...? and the Everlasting Gobstopper? just a candy you can pop in your mouth, and it's sweet.. just plain sugary... but it never shrinks in size, forever remains the same candy... all that sugar.. not good for you over time...

have you ever watched Monty Python from the early day's? was a show we got here in canada back in the 60's and 70's and so on because someone from britain came over here on a boat and got drunk and fought a moose and won... Then he planted a british flag in the dirt and we became part of the commonwealth.... well, the best part of being conquered after Moose Day ( every June 7th ) is that we got to watch british tv show's. This Monty Python skit still makes me chuckle.. 

In this skit... I am John Cleese and you are Micheal Palin. And if you wish to keep arguing, I will need another dollar.

You've really gone off. Again, I said I can't argue with your nonsense. And you reply "if you want to keep arguing..."

Uh... I only responded because you replied... So i replied with a response... but  now you reply with "You've really gone off. Again, I said I can't argue with your nonsense. And you reply "if you want to keep arguing..." So.. if you cannot argue with my nonsense.. then why keep replying? Is it because you feel the need to keep this discussion going? or  the need to have the last word in?

You also said "Haha, no way, I don't do the "agree to disagree" thing, I actually enjoy debating and I don't get offended when people challenge my ideas. However it is not possible to have a debate with you if you are just going to reinvent what I say. " So...  if you really want this discussion to end, but enjoy the debating, well that's contradiction.. So i do not know where you stand on this issue. But I do thank you for the time you took to respond. I hope my question posted did not take to much time away from your own time from thing's you want to do. So in the end, I hope you have a wonderful day, and understand that even If I do not agree with your point of view, I can understand it.

Also, if you post any final response, I will not reply to it. You can have the last word in. =)

Lol, pure comedy. You can't possibly understand my point of view if you aren't able to read and comprehend my sentences. If I say I like debating, and then you assume that I want the debate to end, you are just not able to communicate, let alone discuss.