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Even if we were to assume that there could be a set of standards in regards to what does and does not count as art, and which subjects are and are not worthy of exploration,* "glorifying" is an entirely subjective term that is worthless in this context. 

No one person or group of people should be allowed to act as arbiters of what kind of art and media other people can and cannot create or interact with. Don't like it? Don't engage with it. But there's more to the creative field than Thomas Kinkade's whole thing of "art should always be uplifting and feelgood and should never challenge me and make me feel uncomfortable."

--Sincerely, someone whose mere existence is considered glorifying a degenerate and dangerous lifestyle by people like Collective Shout

* And we really, really fucking shouldn't because that's how you end up with lists of "degenerate art" and bookburnings.

does "Don't like it? Don't engage with it" also apply to payment processors

To be clear I hate the payment processors. The payment processors are the bad guys in this situation. Please make better arguments against them, that was a bad one.

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Oh sure, I'll just sell my queer smut through the literally zero payment processors who are okay with it

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Wait: you also use Patreon as a platform. Which is beholden to the same standards set by payment processors as itch. You do have several payment processors who are ok with your work.

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I think it's natural to care for the other people who will be affected. Justice for scat porn etc. There's just some hills I'm not willing to die on. I don't see rape games with fascist devs and fascist messaging like No Mercy as the people who would show solidarity if the shoe was on the other foot: they would almost certainly celebrate the removal of what they would see as degenerate art.

In less leftist spaces, spaces which we'll call center-right to be diplomatic, this whole itchio shadowbanning is being discussed as a censorship of rape and incest games with no mention of queerness. In fact, this is considered an instance of leftist censorship and the center-right are complaining about leftist feminists (not distinguishing between feminists and terfs).

Its so sad the most grotesque fascist porn games affected will find a new home the easiest. Obviously. That's part of why this hurts queer people.

I'm sorry I keep bringing up No Mercy, its just the easy well known example to point too. Many such fascist porn games got deplatformed.

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Patreon used to allow sex workers on its platform. People who'd sell photoes of hole. It sucked when they got banned. There wasn't a lot of solidarity from NSFW artists back then - they just kept on keeping on. The kinds of solidarity NSFW devs are demanding from SFW devs now never materialised when NSFW artists could have supported sex workers all those years ago. Its sad. I sometimes wonder who we NSFW artists are to now demand what we never gave. I just reflect on it some times.

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Sorry for the rambling post.

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I don't know why you're calling the No Mercy dev a "fascist." Stop with the ad hominem attacks.

And just for your information, they're a pretty chill person. The game itself was only noticed because Karens made it seem like the worst thing ever, when it was really just an average, and really tame AVN.

Please do better as a human being.