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Mmkay, so I guess I'll start by saying I have zero familiarity with the story this is spun-off from, and this may have impacted how characters and interactions resonated with me as opposed to others whose readings may have been colored by other context they have (or maybe it didn't! Maybe these characters are minor side characters in the main story and it's all irrelevant, I literally do not know).

With that said, I think there's a lot to like here in dialogue and emotion (mostly - I'll get to that) but this project may be suffering from trying to do too much at once.

Spoilers from here on out.

Implementation of Theme:

I can see it. Patrice is experiencing continuing darkness through being stuck in the doldrums about his breakup and in comes this shiny new wolf to bring a spark of brightness to that darkness, and it almost kinda works out for a bit. The last part makes it a bit muddy, but it still works well enough.

Story:

Okay there's kind of a lot to unpack here so I have prepared a numbered list to organize my thoughts.

1) Nia: I think there needs to be a lot more context with what exactly happened here. The intro scene makes it seem like she doesn't really want it to end either, so what's the reason they broke up? This is important for understanding Patrice's character - is there something specific where he thinks he has an inadequacy or shortcoming that he can't move past? Not knowing the answer to the question could be plausible too (that's actually by far the worst feeling from personal experience) but it seems like there was some kind of concrete event that caused the breakup so that doesn't really come across either. It would also be helpful to hear what exactly he liked about her - what made that relationship so special and why does he feel like he couldn't attain that with someone else? This is kind of the whole premise for the story so it's a bit weird that angle is so sparse.

2) Patrice: There's a lot to like about the characterization going into Patrice in sections of the VN. Lots of moments that feel very real and grounded, like the intrusive thoughts of your ex in the first half and how to respond to those and hanging out comfortably at a party with your friend until your crush shows up, your friend gives you the ol' "good luck, soldier" and dips, and your anxiety has now reached critical mass. You really crushed that last one, totally nailed it. There's a degree of dissonance between the way he carries himself in other conversations and the struggles he's going through though, with the hyper-flirtatious, overtly sexual lines clashing with the idea of someone who's been wallowing over a breakup for two years. I know that the intrusive thoughts as mentioned above can come at any time, but there are points in the story where it feels like Patrice will take a few seconds to think about Nia more because the script remembered that he was supposed to rather than it being triggered more naturally. 

3) Liam: For a story with two main points (getting over Nia and getting with Oliver) we are spending a lot of time with Liam. I'm not really sure what their relationship is supposed to be, especially since Patrice is making flirty and sexual comments to him too and that feels kinda weird to do to your ex's brother...? I don't know, maybe that's just me, but I certainly don't think it would help with Patrice's primary goal of getting over Nia. I question whether some of the time spent with Liam could have been more focused on Nia, or maybe even Liam and Nia as a package deal, to get some of that additional context across. You'd probably still have enough Liam space to keep a lot of the witty banter in (which was good!)

4) The end: It was... a bit abrupt, and just a teensy bit melodramatic. I think a lot of the buildup to that point with Oliver was great. A lot of their dialogue felt natural and I was buying that it was a really solid first date. I definitely understand the hurt, especially from Oliver's perspective - Patrice really should have clarified the no-commitment thing before taking a huge step like taking Oliver's virginity. But some of the lines that got thrown out afterwards were a little much. "...that the person you fell in love with..." "I truly loved him" like... you guys met 12 hours ago, this was not true love yet -_-

5) Oliver's mom: Kinda breezed right by that one. Don't know if that's setting up something for the main story but that felt kind of out of nowhere, especially with how fast they moved past it.

6) Boxing: Not necessarily as important as the above, but I feel like the boxing scene forgot that the characters were boxing sometimes. Not in the sense of throwing punches, but more like, I was cracking up at the idea of these two having a whole-ass conversation with mouthguards in (especially since Patrice didn't bring one and was almost certainly using one that wasn't even molded). 

7) If my ex cut off all contact with me and then started sending pity payments out of nowhere like it was child support or alimony or something I would be so incandescently pissed off I would implode.

Anyway.

Presentation:

A much shorter section to write, mostly because I thought it was pretty great. Music got a bit repetitive at times, but the sprites were great and I really liked the CGs as well. Was not expecting to see titties in the first five minutes of a gay VN but I wholeheartedly commend the effort. 

One tiny little nitpick - some of the backgrounds didn't really feel like they matched what was being written, like Patrice mentioning how his family had never seen that much money before while standing in a gloriously immaculate kitchen or telling Oliver they'll have to share a bed when the background clearly shows two beds. 

Creativity:

It's a spin-off from your existing work with characters you've (again, presumably, I don't know) already spent a lot of time thinking about. Totally within the rules, but I don't think it's doing anything particularly innovative to give it much beyond that. Firmly middle-of-the-road on this category for me. 

I know I had a lot to say (I always have too much to say, I promise it's nothing personal) but I did genuinely enjoy a lot of what was here and maybe if I'm not terminally burned out from VNs after this jam I'll see what's going on with the main project.

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First thing I wanna say is never feel bad for sharing your thoughts. As a creator, I go crazy for these in-depth analyses. It gives me that outside opinion I can't have because I'm too stuck in my own creations and you know how it is, maintaining a clear vision gets hard.

Overall everything you've said it's true. This is a spin-off so the missing context is meant to be in the main game, the whole story is Patrice trying to get over his first love and failing, that's it.

I will say, I learned about mouth guards near the end of writing the script so I shoved a random line in, without thinking too much. I'll have to go back in and fix it. Makes no sense.

Liam and Patrice are childhood friends so this is their usual banter. Also you're correct about that being weird, which is why Patrice mentions in passing that Liam ended up ghosting him after the break up. Patrice doesn't want to see him that way either. You don't have that friend who just... throws sexual jokes around/flirts but doesn't actually mean it?

I do understand your overall desire between wanting to learn more about Nia and less about Liam, this is just how it came out with the pre-existing knowledge of the main game already in place. I see now that it takes away a portion of the entertaining from the story.

I think love is a very subjective experience so... I want to believe, through Patrice's POV, that he did harbor genuine love and feelings for him but it was messy and they let their lack of experience carry them away. The only reason the end is abrupt was the word limit. I had in mind to add an additional scene at the end and readjust the overall speed.

Anyway, thank you so much for reading! I appreciated your feedback a lot.

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Yeah, totally get it - it's hard to zoom out once you've been zoomed in for so long. For what it's worth, I think this probably did connect well as a tie-in for folks that are in-the-know, so to speak, but maybe this would have been better targeted specifically for them rather than as a jam entry that ostensibly required no prior knowledge.

To follow up on a few of your points:

Boxing: There were actually quite a few parts of that scene that didn't really work for someone with experience around the sport. I didn't mind too much since that's clearly not the point of the story, but there were details you didn't include that could've been helpful for multiple reasons. For example, you don't mention putting on wraps before putting the gloves on, and having this in there could do a few things: 1) emphasize that Patrice hasn't boxed in a while (after a hiatus I always fuck up my wraps like four times getting back into it); 2) exacerbate the problem by having him be nervous about Oliver; and 3) give them a cute moment where Oliver helps him with the wraps.

Liam: Got it, did not come through for me that they were childhood friends. I got the impression that they became friends when Patrice started dating Nia, which is why that friendship dropping off when the relationship did didn't seem too outlandish to me. And yeah, I get the offhand sex joke thing, but Patrice comes off as way more aggressive and persistent in that than anyone I know personally.

Love: I see your point, but I also think caution is important too. Like, if you've only known someone for a day, you don't know them well enough to know if you love them or not. If you feel like you do, you're more in love with a version of that person that you've constructed in your head than the actual person. That ideal and the actual person might turn out to be the same thing, and if so, great, but jumping to that point is creating unrealistic expectations and potentially setting the relationship up for failure. That's my perspective, but like I said, I can also see the optimism over pragmatism angle too, especially in fiction.

Appreciate the in-depth response though! Love to see the engagement from devs on here.