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Pure love? Excuse me, but non-monogamous relationships can be "pure" love as well. Who is to say what is pure or not? It has only been in recent history that some places allowed people of different races and genders to marry. You're free to believe in and practice monogamy as what is right for you, but denigrating other "Non-Traditional Relationships" is patently offensive, and smacks of the religious puritanism the queer community has suffered for centuries.

The whole point of many of the routes is to explore various relationship dynamics. That's the beauty of multiple routes inv VNs - it allows for multiple explorations and creative storytelling within the same universe. Again, if something is not your cup of tea, that is perfectly fine, and there are content warnings, but as we say in furry and queer community : don't kinkshame.

kelious99 days ago(+2)

If you think that a one night stand and then maneuvering between two people who love you but don't love you, which breaks Lake's heart and makes everything about ARVO different from before, is "pure", if you feel sorry for ARVO's behavior is “kinkshame”.

then i shouldn't argue anything with you——You can continue to pursue your awakening that is not constrained by secular and traditional moral concepts。

but ARVO deserve love——not being used as a “friends with benefits”

I'm sorry if the translator has caused any misunderstanding to you - sorry is the most polite thing I can do to respond to your overreaction, sorry.

I've already said that if ARVO just wants to have sex with someone, I won't have any discomfort or concern about his experience - but?

I believe that love knows no gender, nationality, or skin color - perhaps even less so in the Furry world, but love is not a clever way to avoid all love and let two people's love collide in the cinema

kelious99 days ago(+1)

And also! In my context, 'pure love' does not mean whether love is tainted or not... If you have watched Japanese anime, you should know what 純愛 means——A love that is not maintained by benefits, sex, disguise, or scheming - since you care so much about being queer or not, I think you should know better than me, an ordinary gay man, that queer love can also be generated and maintained without sex and benifits, right?

drewtanuki98 days ago(+1)(-1)

Love certainly comes in many forms. One is no more different or "pure"er than another. If English is not your first language, in the anglosphere, "pure" has often used by religious (mostly Christian) reactionaries and fundamentalists to attack non-cisgender-heterosexual relationships as "sinful", so you can see why some would get very apprehensive about it. The same people that don't care that you're an "ordinary gay man" - they view any non-patriarchal/heterosexual relationship as sinful. So forgive me for getting apprehensive about such language because its language queers have had subjected to for centuries.

Also, if you don't like the Torulf arc, don't go down that route. That route specifically is meant to tell a story about the hardships and emotional challenges of dealing with a relationship partner who only values and wants sex. It certainly is not my favourite route (mine are the Lake and Jorgen routes), but I still enjoy playing it. There are other routes to read and enjoy. That's the beauty and joy of Dawn Chorus - you get multiple story options to explore and enjoy.

kelious97 days ago(+1)

You should not give up a word that should be beautiful just because of the meaningless nature of religion and the meaningless thoughts of its followers. 'Pure' is simply 'pure' and will not change due to sexual orientation. At the same time, I cherish a love and friendship because the environment I am in naturally oppresses different people. If you can understand me, that's why I regret this path. Their environment is so open and free that they won't lose everything just because of one trial and error - believe me, the cost of trial and error in most countries is not as high as in my place, and I may respect your efforts for equality - but I believe that letting go is a self imposed oppression on oneself.

And, I do not like the plot of this line, but as the ancient saying goes, when you reach the bottom, you will only move up, and I just stop immersing myself in this character who is partially similar to me, and then see how much they can change.

I'mOnlyHereForTheFurryVNs79 days ago (2 edits) (+2)

Don’t mean to butt in here, but I know of people who experienced exactly the opposite. Being brought up in a fairly religious area, I’ve gone to school with people whose parents were orthodox Muslims and were forced to partake in polyamorous relationships against their will. The fact of the matter is that whatever you do it will likely step on the toes of someone else. No matter what you like, don’t let the opinions of those people take such a pedestal in your mind, it’ll make you go through life feeling as though you constantly have to defend yourself against others.

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