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Interaction between Magik-Mutant Protector-Defensive Energy

A topic by Average4PlayersGame created Jan 23, 2025 Views: 171 Replies: 3
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Version: 0.5.8.74

Magik (45030a)

Mutant Protetors (32017)

Defensive Energy (32018)

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When Magik(45030a) uses her ability which reads: "Once per phase, you may play the top card of your deck as if it was in your hand, reducing its resource cost by 1." to play Mutant Protectors(32017) from the top of her deck, while spending Defensive Energy (32018) for it, Mutant Protectors(32017) doesn't come off the deck to the play area. This causes Defensive Energy (32018) to draw Mutant Protectors(32017) from the deck and then discard Mutant Protectors(32017) due to the logic of the game that this card is being used.

The result should be:

1.  Magik(45030a) uses her ability, target Mutant Protectors(32017) on the top of the deck.

2. The player is prompted to select the MUTANT ally to be put into play and the resource. Then, choose to spend Defensive Energy (32018)

3. Mutant Protectors(32017) is put into play area while resolving the effect, revealing the card underneath it.

4. The selected MUTANT ally is put into play and declared as the defender.

5. Defensive Energy (32018) draw the card underneath Mutant Protectors(32017)

On bullet #2 of the RRG 1.6 page 30 under PLAY section, when the card is played, place it on the table, resolve its ability, and place the card in its owner's discard pile.

Developer

Hi @Average4PlayersGame,

I apologize for the delayed response; we’ve been researching this issue for some time.

There are only two timing triggers for spending a card:

  1. When you spend this card (e.g., “32018”)
  2. After you spend this card (e.g., “12006”)

Here’s a simplified logic of how a player plays a card:

1. The initiating player selects the card to play, targets, and cards for generating resources.
2. Paying the cost:
    1. Begin paying the cost.
    2. For each card that generates resources:
        1. Begin generating resources.
        2. Check the resources this card has.
        3. Discard this card itself.
        4. The initiating player gains the resources.
        5. End generating resources.
    3. End paying the cost.
3. Check if the resources the player has can cover the cost of the card being played.
4. If yes:
    1. Place the card in the play area.
    2. ...
5. If no, the initiating player loses all resources gained.

I believe the card should only be placed in the play area after the cost has been checked. Before the card generates resources, it’s unclear how much will be gained.

Additionally, I think the trigger for “When you spend this card” should occur after “Begin generating resources,” while “After you spend this card” should trigger before “End generating resources.” This way, when “32018” triggers, “32017” remains on top of the deck, so “32018” will draw “32017.”

However, I’m not entirely certain this is correct, so I’d like to change the tag of this thread to a discussion. If you find any FAQs that address this, please let me know.


By the way, the two timings, “When you spend this card” and “After you spend this card” are very close, and no events or effects occur between them, and we only implemented one.

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

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I've emailed to FFG about this matter and here is the reply from FFG rules specialist.

Also, I did look up the Rule section this email has referred to.



You have to put the card onto the table before actually paying the cost of the card.

Developer

Hi @Average4PlayersGame,

Thank you for your response and for reaching out to FFG regarding the bug report. It seems this issue is related to the v16 rule update, which specifies that the card must be placed on the table before its effect is resolved. We will update the engine accordingly to ensure compliance with this rule.

I appreciate your help in improving the game! For future reference, it would be great if you could paste the text directly instead of using an image, as it makes it easier for us to copy and search through the information.

Please feel free to reach out if you have any further questions or concerns.