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Feedback requested for our physics-based puzzle game.

A topic by jazibobs created Jul 25, 2023 Views: 401 Replies: 14
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Hey everyone, we recently released the first 3 levels of our new puzzle game Tonalities.

I’m looking for feedback from players about the following:

Are the controls responsive/precise enough? What do you think of the sound design, does the music and SFX blend well together? Are the visuals for each level clear? Do you know what each block does? What do you think of the difficulty of the puzzles? Too easy? Too hard? Do any puzzles feel out of order?

If you have a spare 15 minutes, please click here to try out the game.

Thank you!

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  • The controls are fine. (I tested with a touchpad and a touchescreen)
  • On my laptop the sound is not working properly. A lot of artifacts in firefox. A bit better in chrome, but not perfect. But: what I could hear sounded good, music and SFX are matching well together and are creating a nice atmosphere.
  • The visuals look good. I like the style.
  • It took me some time to understand what I need to do. After that I had no problem to figure out what the different blocks do when they appeared. Maybe it would be nice to add some tutorial-hints to the first level.
  • The difficulty is good. After I figured out what to do I found it quite balanced. The right amount of complexity added from level to level.
  • I found some bugs:
    • When dragging & clicking fast you can provoke crashes
    • Are you using colliders to prevent blocks to move through barriers? I managed by very quick movement to force a block through a barrier...

Thanks for this it’s really useful feedback.

I’m currently investigating the sound issues. It’s seems to be an issue somewhere between FMOD and WebGL. The web isn’t one of our target platforms but I still want the HTML5 demo to put it’s best foot forward. If you want an artifact-less version please check out the demo hosted on Steam.

I’ll introduce a tutorial level to better explain the aim of the game too.

Thank you for the big reports too. I’ll investigate a way to limit user input to hopefully mitigate crashes. And you’re right, you shouldn’t be able to force blocks through walls!

Thanks again for your feedback!

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Posted my feedback on the game page. I like it, keep going!

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Thanks Wasabi, I’ve shared my response directly on the game page.

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Your game reminds me a lot of TrackMania 'hold-forward' tracks, where a player can just hold forwards  + left or something, and the car will complete a very elaborate series of stunts through the track. This is only possible because of the game's 100% deterministic physics engine (for example:This video ). I imagine creating one of those levels is basically the same as solving these puzzles.

Controls:
Dragging should be relative to the point that I clicked the cube, and not to the center. This sounds like a nitpick, but in a physics game where precise placement of objects matters, it is hard to make small adjustments to the position of the box if it keeps jumping every time I don't start dragging it from the exact center. Other than that, rotating and translating the cubes is fairly intuitive. I wonder why you picked cubes though. You really only need 90 degrees of rotation. The other 270 degrees are wasted, because they result in identical orientations as one of the angles between 0-90. This would be fixed if the cubes were asymetric somehow.

I believe there are some possibilities for ball movement that are only possible by letting the ball bounce somewhere, and then moving the blocks around mid-game and 'brute-forcing' a solution. However, I think that this results in a large number of 'resets', which is probably bad (I am not actually quite sure what counts as a reset though, because I couldn't see it anywhere. It could also be an interesting gameplay mechanic to solve one of the later levels though, so maybe this is done on purpose.

There are edge cases where if you have several blocks close together, the GUI indicator for translating/rotating that appears when the mouse is close to a block starts activating for every single cube, going haywire.

On the level 1 act with 4 dividing walls, I was able to move the boxes through the tiny gaps at the center, because it seems the divider only blocks the very center of a cube. Is this on purpose?

Sound and visuals:

Sounds and music are good, nothing seems out of place, although a bit monotonous after a while (or I could just be taking too long on these puzzles). 

The musical notes should not be random. They should be a deterministic property of the physics. This way, pro players can come up with creative solutions that also sound like the meme songs.

The game looks very pretty. It is very minimalistic - is this going to be released on mobile?

Difficulty

I will never say that a puzzle was too hard for me, as that might make me look like an idiot. It was all your crappy level design's fault (Just kidding). But really, I think the puzzles seem balanced. I think that it should be a bit more obvious that we want to light up all the cubes. A fractional counter somewhere saying {{number_lit}} / {{number of cubes}} or even some sort of visual progress bar that moves based on that fractional amount or some visualization of that progress would give feedback of this I think. (Also it may look nice).

I still don't understand what the yellow blocks do. I can kind of intuit them, but I would never be able to explain it to you. It pushes the ball away, but it also flips the gravity in the opposite direction? It makes the ball travel in some parabolic path? Sometimes I felt as if moving the white blocks without moving any yellow blocks when the yellow blocks were active would affect the 'area of influence' of the yellow blocks as well, because the ball would move differently for seemingly no other reason. This really threw me off, and I still haven't quite figured it out. Because of my lack of understanding, solving some of the puzzles then became just brute forcing rather than actually piecing together a solution based on a solid understanding of how the blocks behave. Maybe we need some puzzles where you can't progress until you come up with a very precise configuration that can only be arrived at by understanding the blocks? 

I believe there should be a way to pause and rewind time, while placing blocks, rather than everything just resetting. This would make the problem solving much easier, more productive, more fun, more calming, and easier to experiment and understand the mechanics. But it would also give you much more scope and creativity with your level designs. You can now make your solutions much more tricky elaborate, because of how much easier it has become to explore the solution space.

I was not able to finish act 3 because I got bored/frustrated, but could just be me

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Thank you for your feedback. It’s really useful.

I fully take on your point about allowing the movement of the blocks to be relative to where the user initially clicked as opposed to snapping to the center. I also really like your points about adding a clearer indicator of level progress for the player to make the aim of the puzzle easier.

Thanks for also raising the point about the GUI becoming confusing when the blocks are positioned too closely together. That’s something I can certainly address.

I like your idea about the sound of the block being determined by its positioning in the level. I’ll speak with my sound guy and see what we can come up with because it’s a really good point.

I also take on board your points about difficulty and the ambiguity of some of the pieces. The yellow block flips the gravity of the level but I feel that I should come up with a way to make that more visually obvious.

Re: release platforms, we were thinking about a mobile release depending on the response to the PC release. We think the game would be suitable for phones and tablets too.

Thank you again for taking the time to have a look at the demo. I really appreciate your honest feedback.

The yellow block is a lot simpler than I thought :0

Am a bit surprised I didn't see that

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It was pretty fun, though personally not for me.

I liked the sound and visual, simple but effective.

I think a short tutorial would be useful, it took a while before I understood my goal.

Also, I think a way to acces the options menu without leaving the level would be good. I also think a button to reset the ball would be a good additon, so you don't have to wait for the ball to finish moving when you already know you failed.

I noticed in one level that the ball movements became a bit unpredictable. After the ball hit a yellow cube, it followed different paths each reset. Not sure if that's intentional or not.

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Thanks for your response.

I fully agree with the requirement for a tutorial area and that the first addition I’m going to make to the game. I also like your idea for a quick reset of the level if you know you’ve failed.

Fully agree with being able to access the options during a level, I’ll add that too.

The movement of the ball should be the same every time, I’ll investigate the yellow blocks to make sure its consistent each time.

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hello my name is Tarique am the game dev for SPEED OF LIFE 3D

I would like to give you feedbacks on your game so it can improve . send me your game link in the group so I can give you feedbacks, review and even ratings on your game .

for those who games have not got a feedback as yet visit this site and join the group

https://tariquegamecompany.wixsite.com/mysite/group/towi-group/discussion

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Hi TOWI,

Thanks for your message. A link to a WebGL version of the demo can be found here: https://gamefuldev.itch.io/tonalities-demo

However, the latest build currently exists on Steam (I’m pushing new versions up to itch.io in the near future): https://store.steampowered.com/app/2265750?utm=itch

go to the link that i send and send your game link there because am not on itch.io all the time 

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I downloaded on mac, and it said the file was damaged and could not be opened.

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Thanks for the bug report. I’ll investigate the issue!