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I wasn't looking to argue, I just took your message as more hostile than it was. Unfair of me and I apologize. A lot of ppl go beyond criticism and attack devs just because they do something they dislike, so sometimes it's easy to just assume everyone is hostile when they are just offering feedback.... Which made an ass out of me lol

You offered feedback on something that was already removed, you didn't offer feedback on the removal or what replaced it but what was no longer in the VN so yes I think your point was pointless. you didn't like a scene that ppl wont know of unless they played the early access and isn't in the release on itch... Good feedback bro!

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I don't know if it will be perfect for you but a guy basically pays her for therapy to keep her out of that life. She was going to get into it but he started paying her to help keep her from it before she started. Idk if you will find that acceptable or not. She lied to the MC about it to try and push him away. That's the gist.

That still be a red flag but it avoids ntr nts. Up to to the the player if they accept it. Personally I currently see her as a friend MC is trying to help more than a LI

I responded to your other message. No ntr/nts currently if you play the update. Up to the player if they like what the dev did

And now it's not, dev changed it, and you are still going to complain. What more do you want? We probably shouldn't waste time travel just to stop the dev from doing it in the first place.

eh small scene of her getting off to a power washer motor hardly ruins it for.

I mean I didn't mind it. It was a small scene, if you have a save near the original scene then you could check it. It was less assault and more comedic I guess, MC had less to do with it.  I can't really tell you if you'd like it though, you would probably more okay with it though.

Hey, the scene was changed. Just in case you wanted to check it out.

Waking up to a New Horizon update is nice. Though I am sure I will already be anxiously waiting for the next update by the end of the day lol

Love the game; can't wait for more. Keep up the good work lol but take however much time you need.

Nice music choices by the way.

You said "blackmail, bullying, and rape" so I asked what the "bullying" was. Yeah, she blackmailed MC cause she was concerned about her identity getting out, id probably do worse. I mean let's say you were undercover with the yakuza, would you be fine sending someone along with a pat on their back without assurances that your secret is safe? Is it right? nah, but it's understandable. Also, I didn't really talk about sex scenes (chika is better without the sex scene), in fact I mentioned the more affectionate ones, hand holding, hugging , and her wearing mc's shirt lol.

as for chika, I only brought it up in case you hadn't seen it, but its up to the player if they accept it. Personally I am just doing it as a friend atm. She didn't seem to care about MC's sisters drama when she stood up to those bullying her, it would be a dick move to not help her as a friend at least because she's a "prostitute" and has drama lol plus it seems helping her will help the sister (i can't remember her name). Right now Chika is more just a friend MC is trying to help out after she helped his sister... yuka? 

In the end you don't have to like who I like, I have just wondered why ppl dislike Ayase because she is my top 2. Hell I can even ignore the the non consensual finger blasting because Noa has tried killing her 3 times lol but hopefully dev makes it avoidable, at least for ppl not on ayase's path, so ppl don't have it forced on them. 

p.s. This is all just a long discussion, I'm not trying to convince you of anything, just getting your take and giving you mine. We completely agree on Miharu at least. That and I do prefer the more romantic avns over sex sex sex.  And well Ayase is just my type... like kind of enemies turned lovers maybe, or maybe the idea of saving her or 2 ppl saving each other idk but I totally get why ppl might not like her. Something about her path appeals to me though. 

She does seem anti social and I understand the blackmail take to a point. I mean she barely knew MC and didn't want her identity or what she does getting out. It wasn't right but I understand her attempt to control the situation. But she did apologize for that pretty early on so for me it was like a let's start over but don't try something like that again. I didn't really want to write off a character for mistake the admitted to in the first chapter. But I also like her bangs and when the MC wins over the "popular girl". Plus the handing holding and hugs are nice.

I don't really see where the bullying is coming from, I mean she gives MC shit but she doesn't humiliate him or anything. Plus she is pretty quick to agree to help his sister with her problem bullying problem.

Not that I am trying to convince you to pursue a love interest, I am just curious. I do think ppl that wrote her off for the blackmail are missing a good romance but we like what we like lol I gotta see more of Noa before I judge, I mean she does think of MC as an enemy, can't expect everyone to start out as childhood friends. I will wait and see how she develops.

ATM I'd prefer no one getting a bad ending, though that might change later.

I'm waiting to see what the dev says about the "rape" scene, he said that nothing with the girls will be forced, so I'm curious what his intention was.

Yeah I get why Ayase might not be someone's fav but I've liked most of her and MC's interactions from chapter 2 on, they have just seemed affectionate for the most part idk the relationship feels real to me. She seems less psychopath and more mistrustful sheltered girl that's lost loved ones.

 I think 0.4 might fix Chika for some that felt iffy about her after .3 well unless you already disliked her before her reveal. There is no "ntr" scene so might be worth checking her path just in case.

Miharu is great and I am liking Kaho even if she is suspect. 

But yeah, getting the scene with Noa despite avoiding her points sucks. More so since it wasn't consensual. I mean it's like the sex scene with that lady at her house with a gun to MC's head, not that appealing given the circumstances. Personally I am just ignoring the scene, out of sight out of mind lol. Maybe the dev will retcon it a bit or make it avoidable down the road but I don't want it to ruin one of my fav vn's. Though I get some people being worried considering the thing with Chika last update and Noa this update, doesn't really fit the vanilla tag. Chika's was resolved but we had to wait over a year for that. I am slightly concerned about what will happen next. I'd prefer not to have something really fucked up happen to the girls, and right now we can't be sure about that, as you have mentioned.

Everyone has there own definition of ntr. 0.4 will change how some ppl think about it being in the game. Maybe. 

Kaguya is his Ex right? I'm fine with her not being a main love interest, I don't see how she can compete with Miharu

Yeah having the sexual assault be avoidable would be nice and wouldn't be that hard to do. It happened and then Noa was gone the rest of the update, dev could easily rewrite that scene since currently nothing has come of it. I mean the Chika stuff was kind of sorted

But the dev might end up doing something else you don't like and if you dislike Ayase (I actually like her lol her miharu are my favs) then maybe the vn isn't for you. And I mean that in the most polite way. I get wishing things were different but I also don't want to tell the dev what to do with their story.

But all that said, dev might change up the scene. Have it be avoidable or write it as more consensual, or they might keep it as is, all we can do is wait and see or move on. I'm back to being a free member on patreon atm so idk if there is fallout over there

Uh the new update will clear some of that up... Go ahead and downvote me for letting ppl know the NTR/prostitution is cleared up  lol

Though it is up to the player if they are cool with it.

Honestly there are quite a few AVN's that have SA yet are still considered vanilla.(sleep sex and mind control games are hella questionable) Trying to get a clear definition for tags just sounds like a pain. Talk to 8 ppl and you will have 16 definitions of NTR. So there will always be devs saying something isn't (e.g.) ntr and there will always be community members screaming ntr

I'd suggest ppl give the new update a chance but if you don't like it, it might be time to move on if its not for you. It sucks to leave a VN behind, but it might be for the better, or just wait for it's completion so you are not surprised by tags. Personally I didn't think too much about the SA scene when I saw it but I can see why ppl will take issue with it. It would be better if it were avoidable

Here's hoping I survive another year lol

I in no way meant to come off that I disliked the writing or was criticizing it in anyway, I was just giving my feeling on her character and her actions. I know she doesn't want to intentionally hurt Janice but she has put them in harms way. MC brought that up early on though.

And I could be wrong but I think that banter can be tricky, we the player don't experience the 10 years of friendship lol so sometimes it might seem harsh maybe.

I might come to like her character more though, and I imagine there are plenty of ppl that already like her, so don't take me disliking her too harshly. We all have our preferences. 

I liked the update though. I just felt like sharing my opinion on Sam since she was more the focus with this update after the beta. 

Yeah some of the clothes he wears don't fit him all that well but I imagine it might be a pain to fix that.

His personality isn't too bad, a bit pervy sometimes but hella tame compared to other AVNs.

I know ppl have their problems with the AVN and there are some flaws but yeah I love this too, one of my favorites. Miharu and Ayase are a couple of my fav LI. Just really like how they interact with MC. Especially the affectionate interactions. The hugs, the handholding, the carrying, and the care being shown... Nice. It feels like the MC actually cares for them.

The story itself is good too. I could offer constructive criticism if I were smarter but oh well, I will just enjoy the ride. Plus I imagine the dev deals with enough of that and more. 

Using the URM could help you see what you missed. I remember missing out on Ayase's first handy because I didn't have her do that cat thing.

Will try to be vague here but possible spoilers. Here are my thoughts after playing the update lol

Sam being the one to say something first would be frustrating. It would 100% be better to come from MC Guy has been in a relationship with Janice for a decade, it feels wrong not to at least have the option to tell her first lol Though honestly I was just gonna go back and not kiss Sam but I get an error trying to load. 

Not to mention Sam better have a damn good reason for taking awhile to contact MC. That's something she should inform him of asap, and without knowing the timeline of events for them, it currently seems she wasn't too quick to do so. 

I'd normally give a character the benefit of the doubt but she's been hiding a lot and playing games with the MC this whole investigation, so, sorry but trust isn't there.

Like, she literally tells a civilian about her plans for an active investigation but not her "partner" who is involved and is trying to actively protect someone involved. Though Sam seems intent on getting Janice killed smh..... Oh and obviously Kira needs to die.

No criticism for the story just not really liking Sam lol

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It's a questionable (wouldn't it be SA not rape? Genuine question) fingering but she has been trying to kill them, plus stalking.

lol disliked for clarifying the scene (after putting a spoiler warning), itch.io commenters are sensitive. 

I think Universal Renpy Mod could help you with choices and showing what answer gives points for a character. Though I guess I don't if it is available for android. Just saying it could help in lieu of a wt.

Well I feel like Serene needs a Daddy

I will just read through it again to get ready for the release and pass the time. Need to figure out why I end with 11 out of 12 points for Anya despite picking her over Jane in chapter 1 lol

Oh man, I got the shakes... Need my fix!

That's what beta's are for, thought I'd mention it on the off chance I was somehow the only one to come across the bug.

Man one day Fran will get love... one day. 

Like I'm pretty sure Fran hasn't been "deflowered" yet

Heads up, an exception occurs if I choose to remain calm.

Downloaded through mega link, was restarting the game and came across different languages from English a few time. Kind of random, sometimes the dialogue will change to Russian or the choices will. Found out that loading a previous will fix it.

Not a big issue but brought it up because I didn't know if it was known.

Looks like fun on a bun

4 days late but while I am not too keen on the prostitute thing, she goes into it for money and dealing with a deadbeat dad, not because she want's to just enjoy sex. I mean fucked up truth is, that is probably the fastest way for a teen girl to make enough money to survive off. I don't mean like OF girls that start right at 18 because they want quick, but she actually needed it to survive before MC and his sister come along.

I am in no way saying that I like main LI's being prostitutes in a harem game but it seems to be going the route of saving her and getting her out of that life, whether as a friend or lover. Which would probably make her 100% loyal... or you can ignore her I guess. But even if I decide not to pursue her as a LI, I will as a friend. I think if done right (we will see this update hopefully) we could get a good mature story about saving her from a shit life as a prostitute. More that than any form of NTR. 

But I like Ayase and Miharu (I think think that's her name) more so maybe I am not as upset since I am not as invested atm. 

Yeah I am probably making a mistake by posting on this thread but whatever. I don't know how nuanced they are with tags but it seems like her story is going to involve getting her out of that life, so considering her and the MC aren't in a relationship at the moment, does it count as sharing if she at least stops being a prostitute before a relationship starts between her and the MC? A genuine question.

With the vanilla tag I imagine there wouldn't be any NTR of any kind. Prostitution should be added at least.

Either way, while she does see to be an obvious main LI (hintedat at the beginning), she is optional so if she stays a prostitute in .4, easy enough to stop pursuing. For me. A former prostitute can be tolerable if done right... maybe.

Do we get any of that real degenerate stuff like handholding? 

Oh yeah, I forgot Magna rivals Mc on the number random girls she fucks lol 

I mean I just never did anything with him, or them. They are still a character but their "path" was avoidable. If I recall.

I could be in the minority but I kind of liked Tracey... Here's hoping we get more of her. She has good potential and could use a Daddy.

Nora Assistant path?

Thought it was a march release for a second lol

I mean it was a past event and you could skip it so I didn't really think too much about it myself. While it is easy for me to sit here and say to just tell the story you want, I'm not the one getting all the hate. I've seen how ppl react to anything even slightly "ntr" so I understand if you want to just take a step back.

Its the holiday season, so just enjoy and take a vacation, I will be looking forward to the next updates when you come back.

The one VN (so far) that has me slightly anxious to read the updates. I just know there is a good chance that Story Anon is gonna make me feel depressed and shit lol Not that a VN invoking emotions in me is a bad thing, I mean it as a compliment