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A topic by Maxime Martyr created Jul 09, 2023 Views: 5,825 Replies: 11
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Greetings ViNovella,

I read on your Patreon page that you started a new visual novel and handed over the completion of Fetish Locator to another team but what you didn't mention is that you didn't care about Fetish Locator anymore because you didn't even notice how much the new team screwed up what you started so let me explain it to you:

1) Where the fuck does this money prize come from and where the fuck has gone the retention program which was so central to the plot?

The protagonist started playing Fetish Locator because he hoped it would help him meet his dream-girl Lydia and as soon as he got what he wanted from it, he tried to get rid of it however Fetish Locator showed him the picture in which he started jerking off on the bed right next to a sleeping Lydia, blackmailed him into keeping playing the game and put him into the retention program with specific challenges and punishments, this retention program is the core of the plot in week one and week two.

And yet, the plot was entirely erased and rewritten in week three, breaking its consistency and credibility, the retention program and its plot of blackmail somehow magically vanished after week two and was replaced by an insufferably lame and boring "plot" about a money prize, week three tried to make us forget the blackmail of the retention program and believe that the protagonist voluntarily chose to keep playing the game and risk his relationship with his dream-girl out of greed because he lusted after the big money prize, which, as I already stated, is lame and boring, this new "plot" which replaced the original plot not only is pathetic because it ruins the consistency and credibility of week one and week two, that is to say that it sabotages the story, but it also doesn't hold a candle to the intriguing plot of blackmail and coercion of the original retention program, the protagonist didn't voluntarily chose to keep playing the game out of greed for the big money prize, he was blackmailed and coerced into keeping playing the game out of fear that Fetish Locator would ruin the reputation of its players and that was infinitely more intriguing and interesting.

2) The respectable protagonist of week one and week two suddenly turned into a pathetic psychopath in week three.

The original protagonist in week one and week two was a gentleman who respected women and wasn't subjected to urges to oppress them to feel secure about his manhood, the only woman that he was rough with was the judge and that is only because it is her request.

In week three, the protagonist out of nowhere and for no reason starts to strangle all women he fucks and even attempts to drown Min in her pool just so he can cum as if he no more feels secure about his manhood enough to cum if he doesn't threaten the life of his women, in other words, the respectable gentleman protagonist of week one and week two who felt safe with women and didn't need to systematically dominate them for him to feel a man suddenly out of nowhere turned into a pathetic lame excuse of a man who feels so insecure with women that he systematically needs to oppress them to feel safe enough to cum in week three.

I didn't mind when he pretended to rape the judge and Hana on her boat because they specifically requested it but when he started to actually behave like a rapist with every woman even though they didn't request it, I started to feel disgusted of him because all I was seeing was a man who could no more feel secure about his manhood enough to cum if he didn't take women by force, that was truly pathetic and disgusting to watch and I was half-expecting to discover that he was brainwashed during his sleep between sunday of week two and monday of week three because his personality dramatically changed within a night for no reason.

To be clear, the protagonist of week three is NOT the same protagonist of week one and week two, they are two different people, their personality is not the same and I was half-expecting to discover in the story that the protagonist of week one and week two was abducted and replaced by an evil twin.

3) LC or NTR?

Week three starts with a choice between two realities: one reality in which Lydia Cox is truly a virgin, Jerome truly tried to rape her, Pete is truly not involved in Fetish Locator, and Lydia is allowed a happy ending, and one reality in which Lydia is a dominatrix slut who loves to be surrounded by cocks, Jerome is her submissive slave, Pete is also one of her slaves for reasons which elude my comprehension because he would be more likely to make her his bitch, and Lydia ends in jail no matter what, even if the visual novel gives you choices to cover for her and not talk about Fetish Locator in the police station, her ending is always the same, which makes me wonder why do you even bother to give choices to cover for her if my choices don't change anything?

I really have to talk about something which made me laugh hard about this choice of reality.

Before you choose between the reality of Lydia Cox's happy ending or the NTR reality... wait, actually there is something else that I need to tell before I continue, I need to talk about the very concept of NTR.

What is NTR? No, really, what is NTR? NTR doesn't mean anything because there are the netorare and the netori so how are we supposed to know which of the two NTR means? Is it NTR as in netorare or is it NTR as in netori? That always pisses me off every time developers state that "this game contains NTR" or "this visual novel contains NTR" because that doesn't tell me if they mean netorare or/and netori?!

We use japanese names because who else other than japanese people would be insane enough to invent such concepts as "Aaah, that turns me on when my lover cheats on me, betrays my trust and makes me look like a fool, oh yeah, I feel so degraded and humiliated, I'm going to cuuuuuuuum!" or "Mmmmmm, why would I fuck single people readily available when it is so much more thrilling to take what belongs to someone else, oh yeah, the guarded fruit tastes so much better than the free fruit!".

Well, to be fair, I can understand the appeal of the forbidden fruit, it is just like the story of the Garden of Eden when God told Adam and Eve "You are free to taste everything BUT this one fruit there.", I mean it was obvious that this would be the one fruit who would attract the most curiosity and if God truly didn't want Adam and Eve to taste this fruit then why the fuck did he include it into their garden in the first place? Well, of course, like every religious story, the story of the Garden of Eden is a fiction designed to teach a lesson to people who are told the story and the lesson of the story of the Garden of Eden is well-known: The forbidden fruit is the most appealing of all.

So I can understand the appeal of netori. However you can't change my mind that if you are turned on by the idea of being cheated on, back-stabbed, betrayed, lied to, made a fool, degraded, humiliated, then you need to solve some psychological unresolved issue because it is not sane to enjoy being betrayed, netorare is a form of masochism.

And I am NOT masochist NEITHER sadist so when you warn me that your story will contain NTR, that doesn't mean anything, you need to tell if your story will contain netorare or/and netori.

For example, in week one, we catch Kevin jerking off while spying on his sister Chloe getting fucked by someone else then he explains that he and his sister are lovers and that he is turned on by watching her getting fucked by someone else and therefore he is a netorare.

Then he invites us to fuck his sister while he watches and jerk off and if we accept, we are a netori.

Also, we get a chance to grow intimate with Min while she is Antony's girlfriend and even lead them to break up and keep her entirely to ourselves in week two, we take someone else's lover, this is netori.

At the start of week three, we have to choose between two alternate realities, one of which is labelled "NTR" and once more, we are not told which kind of NTR we risk to be exposed to, netori or netorare, sigh, there are so many creators who state that their work contains NTR and so few of them who actually specify netori or/and netorare so every time I read "this contains NTR", I already know in advance that this will be crap because the creator doesn't actually know what they are talking about if they don't even know there are two different kinds of NTR and the creators who actually know their subject know to specify netori or/and netorare.

And I really need to ask: Where did this fucking NTR come from anyway?! I know it came from Japan, we use japanese names and only japanese people would be insane enough to make fantasies of cheating such a big deal that it became an entire type of porn content, I know all that but what I don't understand is that until a few years ago, I had never ever heard of NTR anywhere then a few years ago, BAM, it was suddenly everywhere from nowhere, it is as if the entire world all of a sudden out of nowhere fantasized hard about cheating, I even read people complaining to creators that their works don't contain NTR and I was like "Are you serious? You are complaining that the creators make you experience romantic and sexy stories which don't break your heart, make you feel back-stabbed, betrayed, hurt? What's your fucking problem?! You can't enjoy not being hurt, are you fucking masochists?!" and the answer was yes, people who enjoy NTR are definitely masochists, I know all that but what I can't explain to myself is why so many people suddenly turned masochists a few years ago, why did I never ever heard of NTR until a few years ago then all of a sudden it was everywhere from nowhere?

Sigh, so that was about the very concept of NTR but now I want to resume where I left off before I diverted: the first choice of week three.

This failure of a week three starts with a choice between two realities, the Lydia Cox's reality in which she is a voyeur virgin and has a chance for happiness with the protagonist and the NTR reality which...ugh, I don't even have words to express how much the team responsible for week three utterly screwed up this version of the story because just like every creator who uses the name "NTR" without actually specifying which kind of NTR they talk about, the team responsible of week three doesn't know their subject and failed at every level so much that I genuinely doubt that the original creators of week one and week two even read week three because I can't imagine that they read it and didn't notice how it ruins the entire story, breaks the consistency and credibility built in week one and week two, changes everything for no reason, talk about subjects that they are clueless about, shit on the plot, screw their shit, then eat it and shit it again before they flush it to the toilets and call it done.

Literally nothing in week three can even hold a candle to week one and week two, week one and week two started intriguing, exciting, interesting, thrilling, great and promising, then week three arrived and wasted everything.

But that's not the subject here, I diverted again as I always do but I really want to talk about the choice between LC and NTR.

What I want to share is how hard the comments of the creators made me laugh to tears!

Let me explain, at the start of week three, when you receive the box with the two cock-cages which determine in which reality the story will switch into, there is a note which reads as follow: "These twin cages are almost identical, but your choice will have a drastic impact on your life. The first is known as Love Conquers the cage. I commend this cage to you, if you are weak in will and hold fast to your humanity. The second is called the Needlessly Tight Restriction. This I commend for those safe in their manhood, or willing to risk being traumatized."

I wish you would have seen how hard I laughed when I read that!

Let me explain: According to this note, if you are not into NTR then you are weak in will and hold fast to your humanity, which is a contradiction in itself because it accuses you to have a weak will and at the same time to hold onto your humanity, but how can you hold onto your humanity if you have a weak will? You have to be strong-willed to not let yourself being stripped of your humanity and there already is a netorare in this story, remember, I told you about earlier, there is someone who enjoys watching his sister-lover getting fucked by someone else, of course I'm referring to Kevin, the character who has a netorare fetish, now tell me, when you think about Kevin, do you picture a strong-willed man or do you picture a weak cuckold who watches other people fuck his sister? Actually, how does the protagonist think about Kevin? Does he think "Damn, what a man! He wants me to fuck his lover, how I wish I was as strong-willed as he is!" or does he think "Holy shit, I'm fucking his lover while he watches us and jerks off, that's so fucked up, how can he actually enjoy that?!" and even Kevin calls himself a cuckold which he acknowledges his own submissiveness so don't you think this note which claims that if you are not into NTR then you are weak in will is a bad joke?

Then it continues claiming that people into NTR are safe in their manhood, oh how hard I laughed my ass off to this pathetic self-convincing bullshit! I mean, it is obvious that they are trying to convince themselves more than they try to convince us with such bullshit, once again, think about the character who has a netorare fetish, Kevin, do you get the impression that this cuckold feels safe in his manhood when he requests the protagonist to knock up his lover because "having his lover knocked up by a bull is the ultimate thrill for a cuckold"? Does that make you think "Oh wow! Such a manly man safe in his manhood! Kevin is definitely the most manly of all men!" or does that make you think "Holy shit, does this man have no self-esteem at all that he steeps so low as to beg another man to knock up his lover because he doesn't feel manly enough to do it himself?!"

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You want another example? I have one that I really wanted to talk about: Min in her garage.

Before I talk about how pathetic the behavior of the protagonist with Min in her garage is, I really want to attract the attention on the fact that the creators don't respect the choice of the readers.

Indeed, at the start of week three, we have to choose between Lydia Cox's happy ending or NTR bullshit and no matter what we choose, the protagonist will suddenly turn into a pathetic psychopath who needs to strangle and drown women to feel safe enough with them to cum and when Min invites him to enjoy some intimate time together in her garage, what does this psychopath have in mind when a woman trusts him? He thinks about tying her up and abandon her like this for anyone to use her after he leaves and I raged at him for several good reasons:

Min trusted him enough to put herself in such a vulnerable state in his presence and he proved to be not worthy of her trust by wanting to take advantage of her vulnerable state and therefore of her trust in him, this betrayal of the trust of a lover disgusted me and if the creators of week three were not such psychopaths then Min should have gotten mad at the protagonist, kicked his ass, thrown him out of her home and never allow him entry ever again after he proved so unworthy of her trust.

You specifically asked me to choose between LC or NTR and I chose LC then explain to me why the fuck my protagonist thinks about tying her up and abandon her to be used by anyone around when I SPECIFICALLY LET YOU KNOW THAT I AM NOT INTO NTR?!?! You asked me if I was into NTR or not and I answered not, that means I do not want my protagonist to even think about having anyone else touching his lovers, keep this bullshit for the NTR version because this kind of idea would never come to my mind, I don't want my characters to have such ideas in mind and it was disgusting to read my protagonist suggest such a thing to Min, I would have understood in the NTR version but this is offending to even suggest it in the LC version! You asked me if I am into NTR or not and I answered I am not then respect my choice and don't suggest anything NTR to me, the behavior of the protagonist with Min in her garage is disgusting in the LC version, a woman trusts you enough to put herself into a vulnerable position in your presence and you basically tell her "You shouldn't have trusted me because now that you are at my mercy, I'm going to betray your trust.", I understand why the note said that people who are not into NTR hold onto their humanity, because if you don't even understand the concept of trust between people then truly you are a savage beast.

This was about how the creators of week three don't respect the choice of the readers by suggesting NTR content into the LC version and now I want to resume about the note's claim about people into NTR feel safe about their manhood, let's analyze the behavior of the protagonist with Min in her garage, shall we?

Min is in love with him and therefore she desires to be intimate with him, which is beautiful. So she invites him in her garage where she puts herself into a vulnerable state. Because she trusts him. But this scumbag proves to be not worthy of her trust when he threatens her to tie her up and abandon her like this to let any passerby come and rape her while she is powerless. As I said, if the creators of week three were not such clueless psychopaths, the sane reaction of Min would have been to get mad at this betrayal of trust by the man she loves and kick his ass hard because that's what such a scumbag deserves. But let's analyze why does he want to do such a disgusting thing to one of his lovers. This is not the same as Kevin who requests people to fuck his lover while he watches and jerks off, here this scumbag wants to tie his lover up so she cannot resist, which is basically rape, and abandon her to be raped by any passerby to make her feel powerless, this is anything but "feeling safe about his manhood", this is actually the opposite, you feel  SO DAMN INSECURE about your manhood that you need to make women feel powerless for you to feel powerful, this is what week three is all about, this is why the gentleman who felt safe with women in week one and week two suddenly turned into a rapist in week three because he now feels so insecure with women for no reason that he now needs to make them feel powerless, strangle them, drown them, take them by force, virtually rape them, (he even fantasizes about raping Lydia when he showers with her, seriously, how low this pathetic excuse of a lame man will steep?!) to feel safe enough to cum, which I stated was insufferably pathetic to watch. While I did enjoy playing the protagonist of week one and week two who was a gentleman who explored different fetishes without feeling an urge to oppress women, I hated playing the different protagonist of week three who mysteriously suddenly turned into a rapist and ruined every intimate moment with women by oppressing them out of nowhere for no reason because he could no more cum if he didn't make the women feel powerless and at his mercy, which is a blatant evidence of his insecurities as a man and was insufferably pathetic to watch, I had a lot more respect for the gentleman protagonist of week one and week two who didn't need to dominate women to feel safe about his manhood, period.

Moreover, the note states that NTR is for people "willing to risk being traumatized", which basically implies masochists, do I need to add anything more?

But you know what is the funniest part about how the creators of week three try to make you feel bad about yourself if you don't choose the NTR version? It is that they are not actually into NTR themselves, they have no clue how to make a NTR plot, they merely make Lydia into a dominatrix who built a secret sex dungeon under her house which is remarkably empty save for a golden throne shaped into cocks and a wheel to drown Jerome under water and Pete fucks Lydia and that's it, they have no actual idea how to make NTR, and they punish Lydia if she is not a virgin because she ends in jail no matter what in the NTR reality and when you choose the NTR cock-cage, AmRose is surprised and make you remark that the LC cock-cage bears the initials of Lydia and Lydia almost begs you to change your mind and choose the other reality in which she has a chance for a happy ending but you insist on your choice and Lydia is disappointed as if she really didn't want to be a slut, she preferred the reality in which she was a virgin, and even though you are given some choices in the police station to tell everything or cover for Lydia, that doesn't change anything, Lydia is punished for not being a virgin no matter what, so the creators basically punish you for having chosen the NTR version, which is funny after how they tried to make you feel bad about yourself if you were not "man-enough" to be into NTR.

4) Oh, right, Fetish Locator!

Yeah, we completely forgot what was the original point of the plot because week three doesn't care about it anymore.

Indeed, in week one and week two, everyday Fetish Locator submitted a fetish of the day and asked us if we were interested in it or not, which was great to select which fetishes we wanted to get involved into and which fetishes we didn't want to hear about.

Week three doesn't care anymore what we like and what we dislike, actually, week three doesn't care about Fetish Locator anymore either, there is no more fetish of the day, and there is no more challenge after the cock-cage, it is as if the team responsible for week three completely forgot the game at the center of the story, which tells plenty about their reliability to complete a story, week three is boring because no one plays Fetish Locator anymore when it was the source of the fun in week one and week two, it is Fetish Locator who made so many people meet each other in intimate ways and enjoy different sexual experiences, and yet, week three completely scrapped it for a boring plot in which Fetish Locator is nothing but a spyware, there is no more game and no more challenge, week one and week two of Fetish Locator had started so fun and week three ended boring because no one played the game anymore for no reason, the team responsible for week three just forgot to include Fetish Locator into Fetish Locator Week 3.

And I know I already talked about it in my first point but this insufferably boring plot of the money prize which inexplicably replaced the intriguing plot of the retention program, urgh, what a criminal waste of a good start!

Sigh, there are so many things which disappointed me and pissed me off in week three after I got so thrilled in week one and week two but right now nothing else comes to my mind so I guess that's it for now.

To sum it up, ViNovella, you entrusted the completion of Fetish Locator to another team because you wanted to start another story, but this other team proved to be not worthy of your trust because they completely wasted your work, they ruined its consistency and credibility, they damaged the core of your work and everything fell apart, collapsed, and crumbled to ruins, week three is a pile of waste which is all that remains of your promising work in week one and week two.

Sigh, listen, if you actually have any respect for your work and for your readers, then I expect you to fire the team responsible for week three but not before kicking their asses, erase entirely this insult of "Fetish Locator Week 3" which has nothing to do with Fetish Locator Week 1 and Week 2, experience Week One and Week Two to remind yourself of every detail, which the team responsible for week three obviously didn't do, then create Week Three yourself to complete what you started first before focusing on something else because your readers have been waiting for the completion of Fetish Locator before you even started ViNovella University and therefore it is only fair that you complete it first instead of abandoning it to unreliable incompetents to satisfy your readers who have been waiting for it before you focus your mind on your new work, what do you say?

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Jesus, get a grip! 馃槅 

To answer one of you stupid questions since I lost interest in reading all of this nonsense. They had to change the plot of the game in week 3 because 1 and 2 violated Patreons terms by having blackmail as a plot point. And since the game is developed more for Patreon and less for this site, those are the rules Vi followed. 

So chill out you raging psychopath. 

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Why is it that so many creators conform to Patreon's tyranny? How many more games and visual novels will Patreon ruin because of their personal preferences that they impose on their users? What makes Patreon so needed that they can impose their unjustified terms on the creators anyway? Why do creators not refuse censorship of their creativity and found a new patronage platform?

Since you are so willing to offer advice, I feel obliged to return the favor to you and suggest you to actually think before you talk. Do you have any justification to call me a raging psychopath? I expressed reasonable points that I justified logically, I didn't throw a compilation of gratuitous insults. Moreover, I expressed my frustration that the protagonist suddenly and inexplicably was turned into a psychopath in week three therefore accusing me of being a psychopath can only be taken as a bad joke. 馃槒

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Cool

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It's called "steady revenue". Having people drop money as a one-off on itch is nice, but you won't know how much money you will have open for the next month or the month after.

So unless you are willing to fork over enough on a regular basis to free them from the "tyranny" of patreon I suggest you to reconsider your stance.

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Hell no, quite the opposite actually, you are proving me right but you don't seem to understand your own stance therefore allow me to clarify:

Patreon pretends to support indie developers however both patrons and Patreon itself interfere in development, influence it and control it just like any publisher would do it and "indie" developers are no more indie if they work to please patrons and Patreon just like they would work for a publisher, this is Patreon's hypocrisy.

Aand don't get me started about Patreon's absolutely hypocrite censorship who forbids harmless things such as incest romance but is fine with rape and slavery. 馃槖

I lost count of how many promising games were wasted because Patreon's administrators single-handedly and arbitrarily decide what is allowed and what is not allowed in developer's works based on their own personal preferences as if developers were making games to please them above else. 馃槖

It is hard to respect developers who enslave themselves to a publisher who pretends to "support indie developers" when it really controls them and to patrons for the sole reason that they provide funding, once again just like any publisher would expect to be pleased because they provide funding.

Developers think that since patrons fund them then it is only fair that they make what their benefactors want.

But then, how is it any different than working for a publisher?

How can you still consider yourself "independent" if you let your patrons and even Patreon 's administrators dictate your development? 

Patreon is actually no different than any publisher and corrupts indie development. 馃槪

The worst part is that "indie" developers make themselves Patreon's obedient bitches, conforming to all of their absurd and hypocrite rules, and in doing so support Patreon's tyranny instead of boycotting it and forcing Patreon to surrender or die without developers.

Because that is the thing, you see, you speak as if developers have no choice but to surrender and conform to Patreon because they need Patreon but you forget that Patreon needs developers the same and that therefore developers could agree to unite and boycott Patreon to leave no choice to Patreon to survive than to surrender to developers' terms or die without developers to feed them.

That is what annoys me, you see, when people talk as if only one side needs the other and has to agree to their terms when actually both sides need each other and both sides can force their conditions on each other to cooperate in a common agreement instead of an absolute one-sided tyranny.

I can't respect neither Patreon neither developers who enslave themselves to them as long as it remains a tyranny, this is my stance.

And actually, what is Patreon exactly? I mean beside a publisher who use random people's money to fund and control developers while pretending to not be a publisher.

Patreon is a crowdfunding website just like Kickstarter and other crowdfunding websites, it is a website which makes people be able to give money to developers, actually anyone could create such a website so there is really no reason that everyone submits to Patreon's dictatorship and doesn't create an alternative, you only need a few promising developers and some advertising to start up a rival to Patreon, which is why I don't understand why no one has had the will to do so yet. 馃

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Thanks for the warning, I appreciate it.

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Thanks for the warning. I was about to buy the whole series but if it got the Witcher treatment (where Season 3 is nothing like 1 and 2 either) then I'll pass.

Just a quick correction on your original post, the relation between Kevin and his sister does not qualify as netorare/netori. Both of those implies the lack of consent or knowledge from the partner that is beeing cheated on (Kevin here). 

The relation as you describe it (haven't played the first game in year, and probably won't play the follow up if what you says is rigth) would be simply cuckoldry, or netorase (third variant of NTR, poorly know cause rarely used in porn, and generaly just called cuckoldry)

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Yes, I know, I learned about netorase after I wrote this post but I knew only netori and netorare then.

As you said, netorase is the least common variant of NTR, even netori is far less known than netorare, and it amuses me that people are so much more into being cheated on, betrayed and humiliated than into consensual libertinage or stealing, this tendency implies that people are overwhelmingly masochist. 馃槄

Well, actually scratch that, it would amuse me if the consequence of this tendency would not be that so many porn games are designed for masochists which I am not and am pissed off that NTR is so popular and hard to avoid. 馃槧

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Regardless of whether one were to agree with every point made here I will say that the effort put into this and the detail provided is appreciated. Too many people will simply say a game is awesome or terrible and not provide any detail at all.