thats awesome and thanks for your time (sorry to bother) self-modifying code would be the point for a "persistent world" like at least one ultima i remember, but i'll do some more poking around and check back in the mail later. Again sorry to bother, enjoy your vacation !! (i notice the briley .crt image on my kungfu carts asks if i want to overwrite (=save games) the image so i play from a backup. I will definitely mail you after i prod around some more. pioneering alchemy lol have a great day overthere