I am wondering about your beliefs as a Christian's with all my respect....in your holy book..Jesus, may blessings and peace be upon him, was calling you to worship the Father...he did not say worship me...and I also remember that he wanted to pray..and he put his head on the ground (prostration) Exactly as Muslims do...and I saw many Muslims ask these questions to Christians and none of them answered...(I'm not looking for a problem..I just want to know what you think as Christians)
The question is how could the Prophet Jesus be a god and at the same time perform prayers..I mean if he was praying to himself while saying that he is a god then that is not logical...but if he was praying to the Father and he was the one who was calling to worship him all the time..then Jesus was a Muslim?
Oh, it's not a bother to talk, ask everything you want to know, and I'll answer you, there are still things I don't know, but I cry out to God, he will give me the answer, says the Bible in Jeremiah 33:3: Call upon me, and I will answer you, and I will teach you great and difficult things that you do not know. And regarding what you said that I am very connected as a Christian in my religion... well, it's true, but Christianity is not what gives me courage to speak, who gives me courage, is Jesus Christ, and the bible says in Philippians 2:6,7 and 8: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not usurpation to be equal to God: 7 However, he emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, made in the likeness of men; 8 And found in the condition as a man, he humbled himself, made obedient to death, and death on a cross. If you want to be happy, open the door of your heart to Jesus, forgive your sins, forget your past, he will give you peace, and it will reign in your heart, he will save you from eternal damnation, says the Bible in Romans 10:9 : That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. And it also says in 1 John 1:9: That if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all evil. My friend, Jesus invites you today to be his brother, to have his Father, as your Father too, (not physically, spiritually).and when he comes in search of his Church, you will go with him, and with all those who have believed in him as their savior, what Jesus invites you to do on this day, I did, and I promise I will never regret it, because Jesus gives me TRUE PEACE, Saint John 14:27 says: Peace I leave you, my peace I give you: not as the world gives it, I give it to you. do not be troubled your heart, nor be afraid. If you follow these steps that I told you, you will not die. Saint John 11:25 says: Jesus tells him: I am the resurrection and the life: he who believes in me, even if he is dead, will live. When he says "even if he is dead he will live" he means that we can die in this world, but we will go to heaven. If we die in this world, and without being his children (which is achieved by doing what I told you) we will go to hell, eternal damnation, eternal torment, and there will be no turning back. On the other hand, those who are in heaven will live forever, in happiness, because in heaven, the Bible says in Revelation 21:4: 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death will be no more; and there will be no more crying, nor crying, nor pain: because the first things are past.
Accept Jesus today as your savior, and you will never regret it again, if you do not believe me, do it, and you will see that everything I say about Jesus and his promises are true.
If you wait a little longer, you could die, and you would go to hell, and there will be no going back.
The Bible says in 2 Corinthians 2:6:
"...behold now the day of health"
Well...in Islam we have..everyone is responsible for his sins ..I mean if someone kills a child for no reason, God will not punish someone else for that...God Almighty says (God does not wrong the weight of an atom, even if it is a good deed that He multiplies, and gives from Himself a great reward). Surat Al-Nisa, verse: 40.
We, as Muslims, sin and make many mistakes, and this is a natural matter. This is how God created man..But if a Muslim repents of his mistake and tries to avoid doing it again, even if he fails..God is Forgiving, Merciful...We believe that God created us all for one reason, which is to worship Him... But in order to give us knowledge of that, he sent us the prophets and supported them with miracles... We believe that all the prophets, including Jesus and Muhammad, conveyed the same message, which is the worship of God..But the difference between Jesus and Muhammad is that you find that Jesus was sent to a specific people in his time..but Muhammad was The last and the last, so it was sent to all people.. With the message of the readers... You learn wrong ideas about Islam... But you have to read the Qur'an as a matter of knowledge in order to understand the Islamic religion correctly so that you can judge justly... I do not need to be crucified An innocent man, not any man.. but Jesus, the prophet of God, because of a bad deed that I did.... and what makes me sad is that in your holy book, some of the prophets, including Jesus, are insulted in some expressions, and I do not accept that... I love Jesus And I respect him. When I find him, he says, "Do not alienate me and worship the Father..." so his words will be crystal clear that he does not mean that he is a god...he is a messenger who came with the message of worshiping God alone..there can be no number of gods, and the concept of the Trinity is not logical, and even if you interpret it, you will be confused. ..I watch many videos in the Preachers' Corner...and many Christians have failed to prove their arguments...if you want, I will give you the channel address to watch..
Friend, you said "lots of Christians"
I know what you're talking about...
I know what they say and I am ashamed to hear it.
But my Christianity preaches Jesus Christ Crucified
Jesus is the Christ.
Those Christians that you say are not of my testimony, my testimony, the one that I defend, and that I would still defend with my life, and that others defended with their lives, is that of Philadelphia, that is the only Christian testimony that still preaches the word as we received it, without changing anything, we, the Philadelphia witness, have answers to your questions, and even if we don't, we will, God said in Jeremiah 33:3
"Call to me, and I will answer you, and I will teach you great and difficult things that you do not know."
I was very sick today... you know?
Well, I prayed to the Father in the name of Jesus, and you know what?
I RECOVERED FROM MY ILLNESS!
I had no strength at all, and I prayed to the Father in the name of Jesus, and you know what?
HE GAVE ME STRENGTH!
Because IT IS WRITTEN, in Job 22:27
You will pray to him, and he will hear you;
And regarding what you said about Jesus insulting himself:
By that, you probably mean when Jesus said it was necessary for Him to die, and rise again on the 3rd day, and do you know how the disciples reacted?
That IS WRITTEN IN MATTHEW 17: 22-23 which says:
22 And while they were in Galilee, Jesus said to them, The Son of man will be delivered into the hands of men,
23 And they will kill him; but on the third day he will rise again. And they were greatly saddened.
It also says in Matthew 16:21-23
21 From that time Jesus began to declare to his disciples that it was fitting for him to go to Jerusalem, and suffer much from the elders, and from the chief priests, and from the scribes; and to be killed, and to rise on the third day.
22 And Peter, taking him aside, began to rebuke him, saying: Lord, have compassion on you: in no way should this happen to you.
23 Then he, turning, said to Peter, Get away from me, Satan; you are a scandal to me; because you do not understand what is of God but what is of men.
Now, I don't want to offend you, but I tell you this:
You say you love Jesus, and Peter loved Jesus very much, that IS WRITTEN in Saint John 21:17
"...Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you..."
Now, Peter loved Jesus, but he didn't want him to die on the cross, you don't accept that either, you say he didn't deserve death, which is true.
But Jesus said in Luke 9:22
Saying: The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders, and the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed, and rise again the third day.
If Jesus said "it is necessary" it is because he was, otherwise, he would have lied, and would have been a sinner, thus deserving death, even if it was for a single sin.
Because the Bible says in Romans 6:9 that "the wages of sin is death"
Peter didn't understand that, just like you don't understand it either, and Jesus told Peter in Matthew 16:23
23 Then he, turning, said to Peter, Get away from me, Satan; you are a scandal to me; because you do not understand what is of God but what is of men.
Peter, he must have felt very bad, Jesus himself told him "get away from me, Satan; you are a scandal to me"
Today Jesus offers you Salvation, (I already told you how to accept that gift from God) for which He died to make it possible for sinners, even for you.
And Jesus said in Saint John 14:23
Jesus answered and said to him, He who loves me will keep my word; and my Father will love him, and we will come to him, and we will make our home with him.
If you really love Jesus, you will keep his Word, within his word, it is said by himself, that "it was necessary for him to die, and to rise again on the 3rd day" (Luke 9:22)
If you think there are other ways to go to heaven, you are deceiving yourself, because the Bible says in Acts 4:12
And in no other is there health; for there is no other name under heaven, given among men, by which we can be saved.
That name is Jesus. And today He invites you to be saved, through the sacrifice He made💖
Accept it, and you will be saved, I already told you how you must do to accept it, if you ask me, I will repeat it, but I want you to know that by not accepting the gift that God gives you, you are rejecting the Only Begotten Son of God, who is Jesus, and condemning yourself, He Himself said so in Saint John 3:18-19
18 He who believes in him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is already condemned, because he did not believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation: because light has come into the world, and men loved darkness more than light; because their deeds were evil.
I know that..and there are many bad people who do heinous acts in the name of Islam..but we do not take them into consideration....I want to say that my faith in the Islamic religion is very strong..it cannot be shaken...and because I am not very knowledgeable about Christianity, I am lacking Lots of experience to show you the contradiction in the Christian religion... My viewing of dialogues between Muslims and Christians made me decide who is right... In the end, we have to respect each other regardless of religion... In terms of supplication... I asked for a lot and a lot from God and He answered me ...the matter cannot be evidence of the sincerity of the discussion...I mean if you pray and ask for something and you are answered..and the same thing happened to me..who among us is right??...thank you for everything
Jesus was not a Muslim, not at all, and regarding what you say that Jesus prayed to his Father... well, Jesus prayed to his father being God (Saint John 10:30 says:
I and the father are one) because God said in Matthew 17:5:
"...This is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased..."
This meant that Jesus was always in full communion with his Father, and he also said in Saint John 14:28:
..."I go to the Father: because the Father is greater than I.
When he said "I am going to the Father" he meant that he was in communion with him, ALWAYS, because he was his Father.
He also meant that he was going to die on the cross of Calvary in a short time, that he would rise again, and ascend to heaven to be at the right hand of the Father. (Mark 16:19 says:
And the Lord, after he had spoken to them, was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.)
I hope you understood it, if you didn't, tell me (it's not a bother) and I'll try to answer it in another way.
Ah yes, many muslims and christians disagree on this point.
First you have to understand that Christians believe that God exists in three characters. Like an egg has the shell, the white and the yolk and that is what an egg is. You can not have one without all three. In the same way we believe that There is The Father, The Son (Jesus, who walked in the World) and the Holy Spirit (who guides us while we can not physically be with God.)
Jesus is referred to as the Son of Man because His mother was human. His mother became pregnant by the power of God (not by sleeping with anyone.) So he was both the Son of Man and God in flesh.
I don't know if you understood what I am trying to say because I am not good with words. If you want I can find the scriptures that explain what I'm trying to say.
You would also know that lying prostrate is the form of complete respect. Jesus was trying to show that He was willing to take His father's plan above anything else and respected/loved Him more than anything. Islam respects Allah above all and you lie prostrate to him out of complete respect and honour.
I hope my answers gave some explanation which is not too confusing to understand. I will be to answer any more questions you have.
I am sorry that my answer is so long, I did not mean to write an essay lol.
It's okay, I talk a lot without paying attention... Regarding the three entities (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit)... since they are all considered one entity and they are all God: 1. In the Bible, this term was never mentioned clearly and explicitly.. The names are yes, but the concept of the Trinity was not mentioned, and Jesus did not call for it.. 2. They also say that they are all gods, so they are all equal... So how can Jesus, peace be upon him, be a god when he does not know the time of the Hour (the Day of Judgment_)... 3. We We believe in Mary and the miracle that occurred and all that...but this does not mean that the Prophet Jesus is a god...if the matter were going in this way, then our master Adam, peace be upon him, would surpass him..because he was born without a father or a mother
If we want to make a logical comparison without any biases: in Islam you find one God..it has prophets among them Jesus and their seal is Muhammad, may the best of prayers and peace be upon them..they carry the message of monotheism and each of them has his miracles...but in Christianity you find that there are three gods.. You find a God who turns into a child and depends on someone else (I mean that he was a child breastfed by his mother)...and you find that he was crucified (we do not believe in that. God cannot insult his innocent son in this way in order to forgive people's sins..since he is able, he can forgive them. All of it without sacrificing the blood of an innocent person)...sorry it's too long...it's complicated and if you want us to stop for this reason that's fine 😄
Ok, if you think I don't have an answer to that, you're right, a few hours ago I saw this message, and I left it last to answer, but now I do have an answer, I cried out to God and he answered me (Jeremiah 33:3)
My answer to your question is this:
You say that in Islam, you find the prophets (among them Jesus) with the seal of Muhammad... right?
Well, first of all, the Islam religion defines Jesus as a prophet, a common mortal, and who did not die on the cross.
As you said, you consider it blasphemy, the fact that God sent his son into the world to die in the hands of sinners...
Ok, let's clear this up:
God, when he created man in Eden, knew he was going to sin, but he didn't care, because he loved us.
The Bible in Saint John 3:16, says:
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, so that everyone who believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
The Bible, in Romans 3:20-23, says:
20 For by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified before him; for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been manifested, testified by the law and the prophets:
22 The righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ, for all who believe in him: for there is no difference;
23 Because all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;
This means:
1-Man sinned in Eden, and sin separated us from God.
2-Jesus came into the world to fulfill the law of God, and he did it, by never sinning.
3-Jesus fulfilled the law, and died on the cross WITHOUT SIN.
Jesus in Matthew 27:46 says:
And about the hour of ninth, Jesus exclaimed with a loud voice, saying: Eli, Eli, lama sabachtani? This is: My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
God the Father, he had to turn away from his son, he had to forsake him, he could not tolerate so much sin, that's why Jesus said "why have you forsaken me?"
When God the Father abandoned his son in this way, Jesus took on himself the sins of all humanity, it is written in 1 Peter 2:24, where it says:
He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we, being dead to sins, might live to righteousness: by the wound of which you have been healed.
Jesus never had sin, but even so, sinners who hated him without cause, Jesus said so in Saint John 15:25 which says:
"...who hated me without cause."
They nailed him to a cross, and the cross was the condemnation for the sinners of that time... that's how those who condemned to death died.
Jesus was sentenced to death without having sinned in him.
So, for that reason, (that He had no sin) He was able to carry on the cross the sins of all mankind, including yours and mine.
Since Jesus had no sin, he could be resurrected, because the Bible says in Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death: but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
And since Jesus had no sin, death could not hold him, He left life, of his own free will, and of his own free will, he took it again.
That allows every sinner to be saved, because the other part of the text says:
"But the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
It says that the gift of God is eternal life, in Christ Jesus Our Lord.
That means that Jesus, in fulfilling the law, says the Bible in Ephesians 2:15-16:
15 Settling enmities in his flesh, the law of the commandments in order of rites, to build in himself the two into a new man, making peace,
16 And reconcile both in one body with God through the cross, killing enmities in it.
Jesus defeated sin, and abolished the law, for which, from that moment, allows ALL sinners to be saved 💖
To accept "the gift of God" we must do what the Bible says in Romans 10:9 which says:
That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Just SINCERELY BELIEVE FROM THE HEART that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, we must believe that HE RISEN on the 3rd day, and accept him as our savior, and ask for forgiveness for our sins by praying to him.
Friend, if you want to be saved, you must pray to God, God does not ask for a long, perfect, rehearsed prayer, or anything like that.
God wants a sincere prayer.
To pray is to talk to God, to be saved, you must pray asking him for forgiveness of your sins, accepting that Jesus died for you, and that he rose again on the 3rd day, and that he now lives, and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
The prayer must be sincere, you must believe what I told you, from the heart.
If the part about how to be saved was not clear to you, tell me, and I will try to help you, it won't be a bother.
It's not annoying at all..I'm happy because we're talking as a Muslim and a Christian...well, if Adam, peace be upon him, fell into sin..and as in the Qur'an, God punished him and brought him and his wife down to earth. For them to work and toil and live there for an appointed term (the afterlife)...but this sin was not passed on to the rest of mankind. It is Adam's fault and he asked forgiveness from his Lord, as he asked that He endow him with word's that he says so that God may forgive him and He has forgiven him...God says: And do not bear asoul the sin of another soul...do you know what...God forgives a non-Muslim if he pronounces the Shahada and believes in him..All his previous sins..as if he were a newborn child..without sins.. We pray 5 times a day.. Fajr (early morning), Dhuhr (midday), Asr (before sunset), Maghrib (sunset) and Isha (night)...we are in contact with God 5 times a day..so you know We do not pray for him..because if we pray or not, this will not affect him..we pray because in prayer there is mercy, forgiveness, and prayer for the soul...As a Muslim, I respect all religions, and this is what is imposed on me..God commanded us not to mock other religions And not to force anyone to convert to Islam..the guidance is from God and we have to clarify the message...I respect you and your belief...but we believe in Jesus and love him, but in return you deny Muhammad, may blessings and peace be upon him, and mock him...I heard a lot of lies about him.... This is what makes me sad
I thank you because you proved what I said to you and supported it with evidence... Well...we said that the Trinity (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit) are all one God...which means that they are equal in value...knowledge, power and all the attributes of God...1. The attribute of immortality (non-death) does not apply to the Prophet of God, Jesus. ..Jesus when he was a child was weak and dependent on his mother and not self-sufficient...that clearly means that he is not a god...he is a prophet but he has miracles from God..I hope my words are clear, I am not good at English and thank you again
My friend, Jesus did not depend on his mother, his mother took care of him, because it was her duty, but the one who really took care of him was God the Father, what do you say, that Jesus depended on his mother... well, tell me:
Moses on the Nile River depended on his mother?
No
His mother took him to the Nile River.
His sister WATCHED the basket, she didn't take care of it.
The one who really kept Moses was God the Father, tell me:
Could his sister or his mother save him from a river crocodile?
No
And Jesus did not depend on the food that his mother gave him either, he said so in Matthew 4:4
Man will not live with bread alone, but with every word that comes from the mouth of God.
I hope these words convince you my friend.
You are right...allah says with his meaning that if mankind and jinn gather to benefit you with something, they will not benefit you..and if they agree to harm you, they will not succeed..because God is able to do so..but what I say is that he was breastfed by his mother..imagine A God who breastfeeds from his mother..Imagine a God who has a mother...He was born without a father and spoke while in the cradle, and this is true...but it is a miracle from God and will not put him in the position of God...God supported and protected him because he is a prophet..as the rest of the prophets... I hope my words are clear
My dear friend:
Your question does not bother me, on the contrary, it gives me strength to know that you are interested in knowing more about Jesus.
About your question:
The passage you mention is in Matthew 26:39 and it says:
And going a little further on, he fell on his face, praying, and saying: My Father, if it is possible, pass this glass from me; but not as I want, but as you.
Where it says that he prostrated himself, prostrating is a sign of reverence, and at that moment Jesus was praying to his Father, and he wanted to do it reverently.
This passage is a few verses before Judas Iscariot delivered him to be delivered into the hands of sinners (Matthew 26:45-47)
Jesus was praying to his Father, knowing that Judas was ready to deliver him, Jesus was praying, asking the father that the mission that had been entrusted to him (come into the world to die on the cross for our sins) pass to another, if it was the will of the father (My Father, if it is possible, pass this glass from me; however, not as I want, but as you.)
Jesus wanted to do the will of the father, not his own (but not as I want, but as you.)
Jesus was not afraid to die on the cross (and he did) all he wanted was to do the will of the father.
I hope this answers your question, if there is something you don't understand, just ask, and I will answer you, see you soon my friend.
P.S:Muslims have nothing to do with Christians, Islam rejects the Christian view that Jesus is the son of God, as well as that he was crucified, resurrected and atoned for the sins of humanity. (which is true)
I am happy because we are having this rational dialogue..and thank you for accepting my request in this happy spirit...in fact, I know a lot about Jesus, and we as Muslims believe in him and love him like the rest of the prophets, but the problem here is not a problem that I deny his existence...you say that he was crucified in order to God forgives the sins of humanity well...But if all sins are forgiven, then why do you ask for repentance between one generation and another...It has come to my attention in your holy book that Jesus used to say that whoever believes in him will go to hell (I will try to search for the exact words).. .. And regarding a crucifixion... How can a father kill his son, as you say, just to forgive the sins of humanity, knowing that he is completely innocent and he is an exemplary man. ...We believe that the man who was crucified is not Jesus, peace be upon him, but another man, and that God raised him to heaven and protected him..God will not harm him in this way....Then the term (my son) does not have to be in the literal sense, I mean God was saying Adam is my son..but is he actually his son...then can you believe that God, with His power, majesty, and glory..has children or a girlfriend..or that He will descend among humans and turn into a child...and I want to thank you for being interested in the answer..I love Religions a lot and talk about them
I know you said it before but it doesn't make sense....God can forgive all people without sacrificing his own son..that's it...I feel like I'm bothering you with me..I'm so glad I'm discussing these things but I don't know if you're reciprocating. Feeling... Instead, I wish you would read the Qur'an in the English version... not to believe in it, but to get acquainted with true Islam, because there are many rumors and bad and false news about Islam... Your knowledge of the Qur'an will change that.😄✨
No, God could not forgive us without sacrificing his son, because it was written that this MUST HAPPEN, because we were "dead in our trespasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1).
But God "even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ; by grace you have been saved" (Ephesians 2:5).
And regarding what you say that God could forgive humanity without sacrificing Jesus... that was not possible, because we were "falling short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)
God loved us so much that he sent his son into the world to fulfill the Law, and die on the cross, and thus reconcile us with Him.
"For by works of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (Romans 3:20)
Jesus, once he fulfilled the law, abolished it, and in this way, he gave us the opportunity to reconcile with the Father, but only if we believe the text of Romans 10:9, and put it into practice.
"That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."
P.S I don't speak English, I use a translator to talk to you, I'm from Argentina and I speak Spanish
I was pleased to talk to you... As a Muslim, I do not think it is logical for God to send His Son to be crucified and disgraced by people... This means that God loves humans more than His Son.. It is not logical... Also, by referring to the history of the Bible... You will find that it was written long after the time of Jesus... The Qur'an is much older than it, as it is 1400 years old... Let's make a quick comparison... No Christian scholar was able to determine who wrote and narrated the Bible after Jesus... They are all unknown. Do not say that you know more than them, because they are scholars of religion..while the Qur’an we have a series that narrated it on the authority of the Prophet Muhammad..we have the biography of the narrator, and we cannot take his words except after making sure that he is a companion and close to the Messenger and that he is truthful and these qualities in general..The Qur’an was revealed Inspired by God upon the Prophet Muhammad..Muhammad started by reciting it to the Companions gradually, of course, and it was not revealed at once...Then the Companions began to write down what the Messenger said..until it became one book..There are not as many copies of it as the Bible, so you have many copying..