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[SPOILERS!] Hotel Capabilities Theory Thread

A topic by Rezerkity created Mar 31, 2023 Views: 548 Replies: 21
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The Salt

The Labyrinth's Constitution dictates: "The Labyrinth shall not materialize salt, gold, silver, tyrian purple, spices, saffron and other such objects which are currency or analogous to it."

This is significant due to salt itself. Salt has recurring relevance throughout the story. Primarily, the Hinterlands were described as being lousy with salt mines. It is mentioned by P that salt wards off 'bad magic', it is a purifying powder that cleanses, and is of particular use to Mythicals, namely in helping break cycles of Recursion. 

Perhaps the hotel is denied from producing salt due to its potential of interfering with the implied recursion that causes Asterion to experience his tortures? 

Weather

Through creating a swimming pool, it is shown that the hotel is capable of materialising large bodies of water. This got me thinking - could the hotel potentially produce weather, or some interpretation of it? By all accounts, the land around the hotel is desolate, nothing is permitted to grow, save for the asphodel flowers by the statue of Hades. It leads to the idea that it is eternally sunny around the hotel.

But if a contract was created, with specific instructions on the function of rain, or god forbid snow, would the hotel be able to manifest weather around itself? How high up does the reach of the hotel's influence go? It's shown to go quite deep underground, but aside from the balcony, there seems to be no established upper limit.

Worship

Conversations with Robert imply various forms of the afterlife exist, and Asterion has literally been to Asphodel, so we know for certain that there is a cthonic option there. However, what dictates where you go? Where do atheists go? If you were a believer in the traditional Christian system of heaven and hell, would you go to either depending on your actions in life? 

My theory is that, by showing mercy upon Asterion, and our presence in all of the rites he has performed in the names of Greek gods and goddesses, our part in his punishment, may be viewed favourably and send the MC to Hades upon their death. However, abusing loopholes in the hotel's constitution may be viewed unfavourably by the gods that deemed Asterion worthy of suffering for his meekness. What do you think? Would Hades take pity on us and allow us to stay in Asphodel when we die? Would Asterion ever meet us there?

I definitely agree I think salt is important I just don't know what kind and how big a role it may play later in the story.


I definitely think the weather could be altered, and I wonder if it's simply thatno other Master has thought to try and alter the weather before...?


I do think Hades would take some pity or show favor towards MC as it is mentioned in Asterion's death flashback that he was in Hades guard and it seemed Hades disagreed with Asterion's punishment... So he might see MC's interference with the other Gods' plans as a good thing...

I do think that one happy ending to this whole story would be a jump forward into the future where both Asterion and MC have died and gone to the Underworld together and live in the Asphodel meadows.

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I found it interesting that Asterion was taken despite the votes in his trial being in his favour. Hades himself said that Asterion had already died, and been judged in Hades, and that the trial was a farce with no jurisdiction over the underworld. Asterion is feared by many of the gods due to his mastery over the Threadcutter, a labrys enchanted by Zeus' ichorous blood (the black stuff dripping from the axe head in the basement), which can kill immortal beings. 

I think the Threadcutter will be a central plot point, as Asterion was mentioned to have mastered it, which makes the gods afraid. Interestingly, it might be one of Asterion's only ways out too, since he, himself, is an immortal being. However since it burns any mortal who touches it, Asterion might once more need to die in a rather 'unworthy' way.


As for a happy ending, that's actually something I'm writing currently, a fan fiction. It takes place in Asphodel, Asterion and MC sitting side by side at the river Lethe, weaving flower crowns for each other, having a soft argument about drinking from the river. But it would also mean forgetting his friends and the joys he had in life, as well as his suffering.

I don't remember the threadcutter... Or the other Gods' being afraid of him. Which chapter was that in?

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Oh, it's not in any chapter specifically as far as I know, I can't recall what was done exactly to get the stone tablets and god transcripts from the trial. I actually ended up looking in the files while doing it for ease of access due to how ingame they seem to be random.

My notes say it was Apollo's trial that mentions Asterion mastering the Threadcutter. It got that name from cutting the threads of the Fates, ones they would not touch, which left people immortal. He was trained to use it by Laomedon, who carried his father Tithonus to the labyrinth where Asterion resided and begged him to use the axe to end his father's life. Tithonus' father was given immortality, but not eternal youth, so he turned into a frail old man, undying, but unable to live. 

The fear of the gods was not expressly stated, that much I am simply interpreting from the tablets.

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Two sided axe head oozing mysterious fluids kept in the basement is a Chekhov's Gun just waiting to be swung. My hypothesis on the Threadcutter is that the Gods do not even want to speak about it because they fear it; it has the power to undermine their power or maybe even kill them. That's why Asterion has never been punished for having used it that one time to undermine Zeus' curse, to punish him for it would mean to acknowledge the Threadcutter's existence and power. I just don't know what its role will be. I doubt Asterion and the MC are going to go on a killing spree. I also don't think it'll be used on Asterion to free him and send him back to the Underworld. Important questions to also ask is how did it end up in the realm in the first place and if it was kept there because the gods fear it, why keep it where the person who used it is being imprisoned in?

Now that you mention it, it's certainly strange that the Threadcutter's blade was placed with Asterion. Presuming the handle had no significance of course. It was last seen, as far as we are aware, by Asterion's beheaded corpse once Theseus had shown mercy. It was in close proximity to Hestia's shrine, too. Perhaps it was a gift from her? Although, I'm yet to figure out Hera's 'gift'. Every other god which supported Asterion left something behind, or was implied to. Poseidon's escape orb, the shrine to Hermes, etc. Perhaps Hera, using her influence, had it left behind for Asterion? It could also simply be a plot point we don't have the details for, after all, the novel is unfinished.

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I'm so excited for the VN to be done, not only so I can finish the story (and hopefully have a good resolution for Asterion AND MC), but also because I want to be able to go back through it to piece together the whole story...

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While I do enjoy the idea of having the full story, I'm also enjoying being part of the community as it grows and has portions of that story revealed. Not everything lasts forever, but we can enjoy it while it does - the main theme itself can be a metaphor for this!

But, that aside, there's lots of questions to ask, and I hope we get answers to many, and some are left mysteries. Minotaur Hotel is quite rich for fan-fiction potential. I really liked reading through the stone tablets, too.

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Admittedly I want ALL the answers, but I know that's not reasonable and I know that the creators aren't going to do that anyways.

At the end of this I want the big questions to be answered, either directly or with enough clues we can piece together the answer ourselves, and to have just a few unanswered questions that we know enough broad information a out that this community can try to form some hypothesis on what might have happened...


I do want a real concrete ending for Asterion and MC and I want it to be as happy and ending as is possible for them.

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The things I want answers for are why Athena seems to have such a grudge against Asterion, why the Threadcutter was placed into the realm with Asterion, as well as why Aphrodite and Hephaestus did not vote on the trial. There's a few more too, such as how Asterion was stolen away from Hades despite the court being in favour of him staying. Another thing I would find very interesting is discovering more peacock feathers, which contain glimpses into the past. How amazing would it be if a peacock feather from one of P's ancestors had witnessed something vital to the story?

And yes, a satisfying ending is something everybody wants. Though, this is a heavily Greek inspired tale, so I fear for the worst. Memories can grow fonder when there's no more to be made, but as long as there's memories to be made, unfinished strings, there will be much more of Asterion to see. I think I mentioned it previously, that MC and Asterion reaching Asphodel together would be a wonderful happily ever after. Although, Luke and Kota are unlikely to go there, judging by what little we know of the afterlife and how you get assigned to a relevant place. 

Ohhhh! Okay!

I've never managed to get many tablets (which is unfortunate) so I didn't know about that! :D

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I don't know if you've played the Routeless Route or if you've watched my playthrough of it. Salt, lots of it, is a necessity in order to active the hidden Poseidon shrine which yields a boon that can allow Asterion to escape. In the route, Nikos is given a bottle of potent salt to use for the shrine by the goddess Nemesis. If I had to guess, the salt that Oscar gets from the Tapir God can do the same and if Oscar has it in a playthrough, it will likely lead to making a future trial easier or bypassing it all together like Argos' piety trial. Though I do wonder if the Tapir God's cursed salt actually works as a purifier like other salt or if itself is defilement. I think the implication from the rites scene that used Hinterlands salt and the hot springs scene is that that particular salt does not purify and instead defiles. The salt is dirty essentially much like how running water can be used to cleanse but dirty running water is going to defile. I don't think all of this is why salt can be made however, it really is because salt was used as a form of currency. It's why the word salary exist as it does.

I never thought about the weather being a thing that might be manipulated through contracts. That would be interested to see if it could be done and if it's used to make the valley green. Granted, anything that naturally grows or is created from the realm will be hostile to Asterion but the view would be prettier. I don't know if seeds brought from outside the realm and planted in the valley would have the same hostility to Asterion. On one hand, the seeds weren't created by the realm but on the other, it was nurtured and grown by the realm. Though by that same token, you could say the same thing about people who live there and they don't become hostile to Asterion.

The afterlife part is really interesting and likely is based on belief. However, how would that work for Robert's realm? From what I interpret from what Robert reveals about his realm is that he's from Nazi hell, a hell dedicated to torturing Nazi's for their crimes and likely anyone else who have had a similar devastating impact on mass populations. I would imagine that the Nazi's themselves wouldn't have believed they'd end up in a special hell for them after death (quite the opposite most likely). So what determined how they ended up there? Is it some divine intervention? That would imply something like a Christian god. Or did all the gods look a the Nazi's and collectively thought to themselves that some humans are just so bad that they don't want their souls? Was the hell created out of other people's beliefs that there should be a special hell for those types of people? And why would that supersede one's own beliefs on where they go after they die? It's a lot of interesting questions we can ask about the afterlife and how it pertains to the worship of gods as well. Like how devoted do you have to be before you'd set your path down a specific afterlife? What if one worships a god that doesn't actually exist (or at least doesn't have enough worships to come to life)?

I don't remember too much about the Hinterlands, I haven't played through it again in quite a while since I didn't like Storm or P very much until the Hinterlands was finished, due to being impatient to see more of the main cast. I think the implication of the Tapir's salt was that it was specifically pure salt, and not tainted salt. Or perhaps the spirits in the Hinterlands aren't inherently malicious like P mentioned, which is why the salt doesn't affect them?

It certainly would be very interesting if the stipulation was exclusively that living things created by the hotel were hostile. I think Asterion would look very cute, tending to a garden, perhaps this will be addressed in the future by the writers. There certainly isn't any confirmation I'm aware of between a difference of "imported being aggressive" and "native being aggressive", the application of it to guests not being aggressive to Asterion certainly is a good argument.

As for the afterlife, I think that's a question that Hermes could answer. After all, isn't he supposed to frequently visit Hades to deliver messages? Wasn't the letter delivered by him alluded to have been from Poseidon?

I don't think the salt the Tapir God gave Oscar is a trick, it truly is blessed salt. My point was that not all salt will cleanse defilement as expected just because it is salt. I'm sure most of the time it isn't an issue but it seems like not all salt is created equal.

I'm pretty sure the letter is from Poseidon though I wouldn't think he'd be in the underworld. He's probably still alive, likely going crazy like Zeus and Hermes if his letter is any indication. The reason why I say Zeus is also going crazy is because I suspect the old man the MC meets on his travels is Zeus. I think this because the contract of the realm states the order of inheritance of the deed if the master did not appoint an heir to their sons or other living male relative from closest to furthest. If there is no possible person that meets that requirement to inherit the hotel, then the deed goes to Zeus to which he gets to give it to anyone he chooses. This would lead to the question on if it's only the Greek gods going crazy and if so, what is causing it. I think it's the internet, as access to the internet grows, knowledge of how the world works spreads further and people stop believing in magic and superstition.

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In one of the Ruthless endings, the old man is in fact the MC, passing the deed on to a younger person, in almost direct mirror of the usual opening scene. I'm not sure if this is to be considered canon however, but it's worth mentioning.

Jean-Marie was stated to have brothers, so multiple, though the age of them is quite vague. 

The old man being one of the gods is something that came across my mind several times throughout the story. You raise a good argument with the Zeus theory though, definitely adding that to my Minotaur Hotel thesis. :p

So, order of Master being handed down is:

Selected heir

Oldest male offspring

Oldest male sibling

Oldest living nephew

Oldest ascending male

Overseer, who picks a new Master


The Olympians had to vote to pick an Overseer, and in addition, only that Overseer may enter the hotel, while all gods are banned from entering it. This leads me to believe that, Hermes, himself, is the old man, simply disguised. I believe he was pretending to be Clement (just like how his human name is groanworthy, Jean-Marie Clement). 

So, my theory is that Hermes is the Overseer, selected by the gods of Olympus. I don't believe the old man is anybody else.

I went back and reread the labyrinth constitution, you're correct, I must have misremembered reading that the order of succession ended with Zeus and not the Overseer so it would make sense for Hermes to have been the Old Man at the start. Hermes makes the most sense for being the Overseer since just based on his Greek lore and the fact that since the only Olympian to be allowed to enter the realm is the one voted as Overseer. Nikos will mention that he answers to him if you uncover Argos' true identity after the Hermes nearly killed him and Pedro. I do wonder what was Herme's intention with the letter and what his logic behind that subterfuge was; even if it doesn't make an actual logical sense or is just born out of the madness overtaking him.

Step 1: Pretend nonsensical letter he delivered was written by the old man that gave the deed to the MC, who he believes is Clement. Despite the fact that he first said that he didn't remember who sent the letter in the first place despite being the same name as his fake last name. Causing Asterion untold distress.

Step 2: ???

Step 3: Profit. Minotaur Make-out Motel established.

It could also be as simple as he wanted to fuck with them because he is a trickster.

I haven't had a chance to see the other Ruthless endings but I have read the While You Live ending. If it uses the Old Man sprite in the ending to represent the MC, I see that just being poetic of the theme of recursion and not meant as a definite identity of the Old Man that gave the deed at the start.

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I'm not quite sure what Hermes' goal was with the letter either, if he made it.

The letter was described as being indecipherable, save for a sentence at the bottom, the rest was just scribbles and unreadable as described by the flavour text. "I'm sorry for not being good enough. .P" is specifically what it says. After you read out the letter, Hermes says Clement was the name mentioned by Headquarters.

Hermes said it was from headquarters, and, since he is an Olympian, I would interpret that as the letter being from Poseidon, who in the story is technically Asterion's father/grandfather. He voted in favour of Asterion, but we have no transcript of it yet, that content isn't in the game currently.

The only other Ps we know of are Pedro, and Pedro's father.

As for it being a ploy to get Asterion and MC even more intimately involved, I don't think that is the case. Why would Hermes interrupt the happiness by making Asterion distressed? Just so MC can emotionally support them? Perhaps it is some kind of test? But letting Asterion know that Clement is still alive seems more like some form of torture than anything else. Hermes is clearly in Asterion's side of the ring, too. However, he did succeed in making MC and Asterion talk more about their feelings. But it could equally just be Olympus making sure Asterion suffers a little more.

It's tricky, with what little information we have. Poseidon may be a stretch, but we are limited on choices regardless. I feel that the story of Clement may be somewhat related to Tithonus, a man who was given eternal life, but not eternal youth, and went mad as his body refused to die. The main takeaway from that story was that Asterion ended the man's life with the Threadcutter labrys, a weapon which can kill the immortal, and that "to free somebody from their shackles, you take on your own". This is also shown in the Ruthless ending where Asterion leaves the hotel, and only Argos stays behind, his pelt turning him into the new minotaur. 

Perhaps we simply don't have the information required to solve this mystery yet? Or maybe it is as simple as Hermes screwing with us for fun?