I enjoyed playing this game, but I have seen the possibility of creating a resource-based economy, rather than just a post-capitalist society. Such an economy would use the scientific method to solve problems, without the constraints of left and right politics, money, poverty, and war. It would require completely different societal dynamics, and I think The Venus Project has some interesting ideas on this topic.
This is the scariest thing I've seen for a long time. Is cultural erasure with an utopic distribution and some form of non descript barter. Is utopic at best, distopic at worse.Is well intentioned, I won't deny, but without extreme societal changes, not feasible.
I'm Slavic and my mother's side of Family lived in USSR, She had to throw away her chance at a proper life in order to be able to help pay for her sibling's education by getting a job after finishing high school, and had to stand hours in line just to get some food. Socialism/communism is an unrealistic ideal and my mother has told me many stories about how she and her side of the family suffered because of that system. Although some aspects of socialism I.E. free healthcare work with a capitalist society, but a completely socialist/communist system is impossible because of one and very simple human emotion called greed. The only way such a system would work is if we were emotionless, or if robots took over almost every job eliminating the need for the general population to work.
Children can never be raised in a family because of one and very simple human emotion called greed. Children could only exist if we were emotionless, so I guess our species will quietly die out now.
Seriously though, there is a lot to humans, don't underestimate us. And insisting that our entire system be based on one single and pretty negative aspect of our characters, even if you think that aspect is immutable, is kinda sociopathic.
Capitalism are also flawed in reality, both work great on paper, but the problems arise when people use the system for their own personal gain. The USSR was flawed in many ways but I still belive in a communistic society. This is because the current capitalistic society allows people to disregard people like my parents that were workers and being underpaid and exploited by the system. Capitalism does not work either
When you say capitalism, do you mean free market? Or private ownership of property? Those aren't the same thing. Socialism is the public control, ownership can be public or private. The US isn't a free market by a long shot, not even close. There are more national regulatory public control agencies than anyone can actually tabulate and each has mountains of regulations. Banks and Medicine, institutions people push as lacking in efficiency and have dedicated office space for regulators. In fact, medicine has increased cost as there are multiples more admin than actual providers (I work in the healthcare staffing space). Try opening a clinic or anything related to medicine and tell me there aren't massive regulations.
The western half is almost entirely owned by government, several of the western states are ~75% public (another word for socialized or common or communal) property. Public roads, public utilities, public lands, public parks. Social property. Social owned and controlled is communism. Social controlled but private ownership is fascism (both groups are socialist, they just kill each other because they disagree on the degree to impose their ideology.)
Capitalism doesn't work if done with socialism. That's why they have to grab more power and ownership and nationalize - just like banks we are watching in real time. Free markets work though. China was communist and the millions that died from famines and such would make people sob for the rest of their lives if they actually cared. When they opened up markets to be MORE free, they have more millionaires than the US has people. Their middle class is ballooning. Which makes the elites worried - anyone remember Hong Kong? You know the one they were only able to shut down by telling everyone there was a disease? Nordic countries pulled away from social programs in the same time frame. It is like someone escaping a torture chamber and another walking in pointing to them as it is good because they were there.
If your parents are underpaid, get another job. Better yet, start a company. You can't because the regulations are overburdening. They are exploited by the system but not a free market system. It is and has been forever mostly a socialized system. All the problems socialists whine about are due to regulation and control of the social, not from trade. Trade generates wealth without even needing to utilize any resources. It is better for the environment and society AND handles greed. You have to satisfy my greed to satisfy yours and I have to satisfy yours to satisfy mine. Professors that are socialists aren't going to tell you that, as they sit in their lazy comfy jobs paid by the state. It is the deadliest religion we have ever seen.
US isn’t a free market (which is what most people mean when they say capitalism - which isn’t really synonymous) but socialist with either fascism (private ownership/state controlled) moving into more communism (state owned/controlled).
Excavating the links between different outgrowths of capitalism was very interesting and very well done. This was a great way to interact with the foundations of capitalism.
Say, I think this game could really really use some kind of detailed explanation sheet about the links between each issue. I find them tenuous at best, and it might be difficult to understand for people who aren't familiar with communist theory.
A full utopia is possible! You just have to do the "right-click and drag" interaction on the little blocks coming off the side of the level. For example, you can connect the two nodes in the bottom left of the screen (time is managed in the name of efficiency + unpaid labour is fundamental for capitalism). I absolutely could have explained that mechanic better, haha.
Reminds me a bit of my game CityBuilder. Love the look and feel of your game!
But i think the tutorial could be a bit more clear it feels a bit confusing somehow, maybe cut it in a few separate pieces or direct the player a bit more?
I'm actually in need of feedback on my game so if you have time that would be great! And if you want me to share idea's and feedback about your game i would love to share anything i can come up with that might improves yours if your interested.
Wonderful, a deep insight into benefitting all. Also a very clever and educational game. I found this piece as a highs school senior and now as I am due to graduate my first university degree, I still find myself returning here to relive this experience, to remind me of why I do what it is I do. Thank you.
its a nice simulation, unfortunately a perfected algorithm of a linear system that has absolutely zero realism is dangerous. Communism/socialism/Marxism and now the rebranded version, "democratic socialism" resulted in the deaths of arguably at least a billion years since Carl Marx and contemporaries wrote there utopian vision. Don't be fooled, this is a horrible destruction, Jealous and evil system that is far far worse than anything capitalism has and will do to an individual. Maybe one day we'll have a better system, but anyone thinking a system of Jealousy and forced theft will make the future better only needs to look at history for countless examples.
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I enjoyed playing this game, but I have seen the possibility of creating a resource-based economy, rather than just a post-capitalist society. Such an economy would use the scientific method to solve problems, without the constraints of left and right politics, money, poverty, and war. It would require completely different societal dynamics, and I think The Venus Project has some interesting ideas on this topic.
This is the scariest thing I've seen for a long time. Is cultural erasure with an utopic distribution and some form of non descript barter. Is utopic at best, distopic at worse.Is well intentioned, I won't deny, but without extreme societal changes, not feasible.
This is a really interesting game. I'm having difficulty getting through it, but I'll keep trying!
P.S. Good job on having the game with the most argumentative comment section.
The downvoting in this comment section is making me lose hope in humanity.
i know its shocking to see people that disagree with you
I didn't say i disagreed jackass
auugh, closest I've gotten so far! Been at it for hours, taking a break now! 🥱
WOO!! I did it in like- 5 minutes! I did have to scroll through the comments to find out how to get to this point though... 😔
why replace the advertisement with that ugly painting? also the diamonds in this game are lame and the blocky stairs seem way cooler to hang out with.
That was... interesting.
I come to video games to escape politics
love the -8 guys
I rate this a 10/10 I learned what yes and no is in Portuguese
I accidentally pressed Portuguese and now I know what yes in Portuguese is. It's sim.
Very cool, educational game.
I very much enjoyed this game!
cheered me up
Interesting game, very thought-provoking.
I'm Slavic and my mother's side of Family lived in USSR, She had to throw away her chance at a proper life in order to be able to help pay for her sibling's education by getting a job after finishing high school, and had to stand hours in line just to get some food. Socialism/communism is an unrealistic ideal and my mother has told me many stories about how she and her side of the family suffered because of that system. Although some aspects of socialism I.E. free healthcare work with a capitalist society, but a completely socialist/communist system is impossible because of one and very simple human emotion called greed. The only way such a system would work is if we were emotionless, or if robots took over almost every job eliminating the need for the general population to work.
Well, I'm slavic too and we we were kinda screwed good by USSR and communism
the Chinese are communist's and it works for them
"Communist"
China is not like the postcapitalist society depicted in this game. Nor was the USSR. It is imagining a possible future, not an existing one :)
history has repeatedly told us that it is impossible for humans to create a free socialist republic that works
Also that it is impossible to create a free capitalist republic that works 😁
true, but at least one that will work better
their government participates in capitalism to make money for themselves but they dont let their people live in a free capitalist state as well
Children can never be raised in a family because of one and very simple human emotion called greed. Children could only exist if we were emotionless, so I guess our species will quietly die out now.
Seriously though, there is a lot to humans, don't underestimate us. And insisting that our entire system be based on one single and pretty negative aspect of our characters, even if you think that aspect is immutable, is kinda sociopathic.
The funny thing is that all of the problems your mother complained about are current problems in the (very capitalist) United States.
another funny thing is how those problems started when we introduced more socialist forms of economics
Well, that's the stupidest thing I've read all day, and I spent an hour on Twitter earlier. Good job.
Thanks! i can prove it too, something i don't think you can do if you spend time on twitter.
I'd say that you should try that again, but this is likely the best you've got. Thanks for trying.
Capitalism are also flawed in reality, both work great on paper, but the problems arise when people use the system for their own personal gain. The USSR was flawed in many ways but I still belive in a communistic society. This is because the current capitalistic society allows people to disregard people like my parents that were workers and being underpaid and exploited by the system. Capitalism does not work either
When you say capitalism, do you mean free market? Or private ownership of property? Those aren't the same thing. Socialism is the public control, ownership can be public or private. The US isn't a free market by a long shot, not even close. There are more national regulatory public control agencies than anyone can actually tabulate and each has mountains of regulations. Banks and Medicine, institutions people push as lacking in efficiency and have dedicated office space for regulators. In fact, medicine has increased cost as there are multiples more admin than actual providers (I work in the healthcare staffing space). Try opening a clinic or anything related to medicine and tell me there aren't massive regulations.
The western half is almost entirely owned by government, several of the western states are ~75% public (another word for socialized or common or communal) property. Public roads, public utilities, public lands, public parks. Social property. Social owned and controlled is communism. Social controlled but private ownership is fascism (both groups are socialist, they just kill each other because they disagree on the degree to impose their ideology.)
Capitalism doesn't work if done with socialism. That's why they have to grab more power and ownership and nationalize - just like banks we are watching in real time. Free markets work though. China was communist and the millions that died from famines and such would make people sob for the rest of their lives if they actually cared. When they opened up markets to be MORE free, they have more millionaires than the US has people. Their middle class is ballooning. Which makes the elites worried - anyone remember Hong Kong? You know the one they were only able to shut down by telling everyone there was a disease? Nordic countries pulled away from social programs in the same time frame. It is like someone escaping a torture chamber and another walking in pointing to them as it is good because they were there.
If your parents are underpaid, get another job. Better yet, start a company. You can't because the regulations are overburdening. They are exploited by the system but not a free market system. It is and has been forever mostly a socialized system. All the problems socialists whine about are due to regulation and control of the social, not from trade. Trade generates wealth without even needing to utilize any resources. It is better for the environment and society AND handles greed. You have to satisfy my greed to satisfy yours and I have to satisfy yours to satisfy mine. Professors that are socialists aren't going to tell you that, as they sit in their lazy comfy jobs paid by the state. It is the deadliest religion we have ever seen.
tl;dr pls
US isn’t a free market (which is what most people mean when they say capitalism - which isn’t really synonymous) but socialist with either fascism (private ownership/state controlled) moving into more communism (state owned/controlled).
Amazing stuff!
Fun and chill. Also, educating.
Excavating the links between different outgrowths of capitalism was very interesting and very well done. This was a great way to interact with the foundations of capitalism.
Say, I think this game could really really use some kind of detailed explanation sheet about the links between each issue. I find them tenuous at best, and it might be difficult to understand for people who aren't familiar with communist theory.
I....did this game just make me a communist? And make me like it!?
Amazing game either way i'm just having a bit of an existential crisis now xD
Great stuff--love the visible, interactive representation of the dialectic
This is as good as I got. Did anyone manage to create a complete utopia, or is it unattainable in the game?
A full utopia is possible! You just have to do the "right-click and drag" interaction on the little blocks coming off the side of the level. For example, you can connect the two nodes in the bottom left of the screen (time is managed in the name of efficiency + unpaid labour is fundamental for capitalism). I absolutely could have explained that mechanic better, haha.
Fab! I got there. Nice, thoughtful & thought-provoking game.
Reminds me a bit of my game CityBuilder. Love the look and feel of your game!
But i think the tutorial could be a bit more clear it feels a bit confusing somehow, maybe cut it in a few separate pieces or direct the player a bit more?
I'm actually in need of feedback on my game so if you have time that would be great! And if you want me to share idea's and feedback about your game i would love to share anything i can come up with that might improves yours if your interested.
https://guldor.itch.io/citybuilder
This is a nice comment section
everyone is just so loving to every opinion
Wonderful, a deep insight into benefitting all. Also a very clever and educational game. I found this piece as a highs school senior and now as I am due to graduate my first university degree, I still find myself returning here to relive this experience, to remind me of why I do what it is I do. Thank you.
its a nice simulation, unfortunately a perfected algorithm of a linear system that has absolutely zero realism is dangerous. Communism/socialism/Marxism and now the rebranded version, "democratic socialism" resulted in the deaths of arguably at least a billion years since Carl Marx and contemporaries wrote there utopian vision. Don't be fooled, this is a horrible destruction, Jealous and evil system that is far far worse than anything capitalism has and will do to an individual. Maybe one day we'll have a better system, but anyone thinking a system of Jealousy and forced theft will make the future better only needs to look at history for countless examples.