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Meal Ticket Games22 days ago (2 edits) (+5)

from the position of being new to organising and community distribution of necessities, and from living in poverty, i can't agree that the convenience offered by LLM genai isn't feasible outside of it. or that taking the money of people i dislike will ever be anything other than a humiliation ritual.

i do believe it is on people who talk a big game to build alternatives, but also know that many do already exist, that haven't had the benefit of billions of dollars of stolen capital and the infrastructure to advertise them.

in all i think presenting a machine built on exploitation as a tool that may help to divert funds and ability towards people in poverty (i.e. us, the people that are having their things stolen by the very same owners of the tools) is demeaning. 

from your perspective those who are being exploited to make AI go, their labour and resources, are not worth as much as those who might benefit from it, and having solidarity with those people, alongside helping my own community, is somehow regressive.

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CoolDotty20 days ago

Thank you for the response. I definitely didn't mean to say that impoverished should "just make a better ai" or that those pushed out of a job by AI should accept a fraction of what they had before it was taken.

My feelings are more like, it's hard to type hence why I did a poor job in my 8 hour thingy above haha. I'll try my best. If I had more time I'd write a shorter letter blah blah and all that.

My first beef is the strawmanning that happens in anti-ai crowds. There's loads of good reasons to hate AI. I think even the same reasons progressives say to hate AI are the reasons to hate it. But the "head in the sand" method that's really popular is just not a convincing way to do it.

GenAI as a term falls flat. All AI is genai. It's all guesstimations of what's next based on the input. Text to code is just that. Agents are the automation of copy-pasting chat interfaces into your terminal. Image generation is looped de-noising until an image looks technically in the ball park. Model generation is literally text to image to voxel de-noising to voxel to mesh de-noising to topography optimization algorithms all glued together with a side of text to image gen for textures.

(Shout-out the marketing based argument too. Customers don't wanna buy this stuff, so it wont sell, so any cost savings are moot. Gamers have our backs for now)

The further away you get from utilitarian use and proper codified verification of outputs, the worse of a use this stuff is. But instead, all the san fran weirdos are convinced that AI is a marketing problem because "the people just don't understand it". I think people are smart, but the lack of proper debate (ew debate but ykwim, talking on the same language) is causing both sides to strawman (and I believe progressive have a really strong side).

This is so long, my part 2 is just, lots of people use AI in inoffensive ways in their jobs. Generating emails and summarizing emails etc. It would be cool to not shout them out of art spaces and instead let them take money from those jobs and spend on us. That's it.

Thank you for both reading and taking the time to respond. It means a lot to me as someone who doesn't ever get attention on the internet heh.

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