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GeppettoNoir3 days ago

"Then Newgrounds will be dead, and it will be the fault of people like you who killed it."

But why would I care? Not me personally, I actually would be sad to see Newgrounds fade away. But as any person you snarl at and kick to the curb... why would they care? This is exactly the thing I'm desperate to point out. But you're desperate too, and what people don't realize is that we actually share the same desperation: we want to preserve something. Believe it or not, we're both saying the same thing just in two different ways.

I hurdled over any thoughts of resisting AI usage immediately because I've seen this happen before. When the people in charge of the world get a new toy, well you're gonna play with it whether you want to or not. Only fools pisses into the wind, so to speak. What's sad to me is that we all know enough about AI to know it works off of what we give it, and yet all the people with something to give are digging in their heels as if this time, this time resisting world-wide historical change will actually work. So that means, so far, AI is becoming what it will become almost exclusively off of the people that nobody wants influencing it. And yet I never hear anyone make that point.

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Eldwood3 days ago

I don’t care about Newgrounds dying specifically, because I never go there. I do care about communities on the internet dying in general, because, well, there are communities I like.

This has nothing to do with AI specifically. Communities die because they’re overrun by people who choose not to follow the rules of that community. Posting AI content where it’s not welcome is just one example. Commercial spam is worse. Trolls are another example. It’s been a problem since the start of the Eternal September. Fighting back against this tide on the open internet requires human moderation. Automated measures exist, but all of them suck. AI-based moderation is just the latest example of an automated measure that sucks. It’s not (just) that I am opposed to AI on principle, it’s that AI does a terrible job of moderation. At least the old Bayesian models weren’t prone to hallucination.

The only solution that actually works is invite-only communities. That’s the direction the good parts of the internet are headed while the rest drowns in filth.

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GeppettoNoir3 days ago(+1)

"I don’t care about Newgrounds dying specifically, because I never go there. I do care about communities on the internet dying in general, because, well, there are communities I like."

Don't take this the wrong way, but you literally just said what I said. Newgrounds wasn't the point, it was just an example. I can literally swap words out in your statement without effecting the integrity: 

"I don’t care about communities on the internet dying specifically, because I never go to them. I do care about Newgrounds dying in general, because, well, Newgrounds I like."

I hope you see what I mean there, no offense meant. Especially because literally everything else you said was golden. 100% agree.  And that being said, I operate under that very belief. I wasn't posting AI slop. I needed 2 videos, approx 60 seconds each, with non-AI editing of shapes and patterns throughout the whole thing to create a cypher. Then, the 2 videos need to be watched in tandem to see the cypher. It was months of work, after months of research, to demonstrate a principle for education.

But that's what I'm pointing at. Not the rage in general, because I can understand it. I'm pointing at the crappy knee-jerk behavior and trying to warn people I thought were friendly neighbors like, "hey, this is only making things worse".

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