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CNC is a scenario where participants agree beforehand to engage in sexual acts where one's consent is ignored.

Participants: Me, creator of game. You, player who consented by actively choosing to play the game.

Sexual Act: Consuming the sex scene.

Scene: Fictional Rape scene.

I understand how this could be harmful to those who don't understand how BDSM works, but the scene itself is fantasy and it is okay to consume it through fiction, because playing a game is practicing something that would normally be deemed unethical in a safe, consensual environment just as how IRL CNC works; role-playing an unethical scene with a trusted partner in a safe and consensual environment. The game was made and advertised for people with CNC kinks, which is why I used the term "Non-cons", but I could switch it back to "Sexual Violence" in the CW if that would be more accurate.

I know how to practice BDSM and have experience in the community as well. I'm sorry that impression did not come off clearly. Consent is very important to me and my partner, which is why we practice our taboo kinks through a safe fictional medium, such as games, fanfictions, etc.

It seems like you got Non-con and CNC confused. Yes, the scene itself is Non-consensual, but if you (the real person) don't consent to it, you can just click off the game just like a safeword, therefore the rules of CNC applies. There are trigger warnings to make sure you know exactly what you're getting into. A non-con game, so I don't see how the tags were inaccurate.

Your other criticisms are valid, because to each their own. I am confident in my queerness, and the characters were based on me and my partner, who are in a queer T4T relationship. My character is an immoral cannibal yandere who is not supposed to be a dom, and it is made clear with the death endings. It is a fantasy for many, which I provided. I, the person behind it is a dom who practice these fantasies with a trusted partner or in fiction. Please re-evaluate your views on separating fiction and reality. 

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||For anyone who won't read :
All of this just for two simple main issues : not specifying 'rape' into the content warning, and sexualising rape which is a greater issue.||

Hi again, it seems you did not at all get my point. I am part of the bdsm scene, thanks kindly for your concern, I do understand BDSM very well which is why I am so uneasy with the content your provide. I criticised it with full understanding of the practices, both in its good points and limits because everything has limits. The screenshots you kindly shared only share a specific vocabulary of fiction or fanfiction, in BDSM you have to specify consensual non consensual, your game does not showcase a bdsm scene, it is just a real plain rape, again, I repeat, the game is not bdsm, nor provides actual bdsm content or entertainement. My critique was both a critique as a player, but also as an artist, a bdsm practitioner, a queer person, and specifically an artist working on social and political matter, which means I observe things, I don't just play and think to myself "I didn't like it so I will comment on it", it litterally takes something really bad for me to do it.

I am not mixing up CNC and non consensual
1- I specified you should be more clear and transparent and directly state there is a rape content. Neither CNC nor non consensual means rape specifically, it just means the consent is ignored. So specify it as a trigger warning. A lot of other medias warn for non consensual content by adding on top of it the kind of assault (physical, sexual, psychological, harrassment, molesting, rape, etc).
2- Me playing the game does not mean I am consensual. As you said, non consensual and CNC are different, your video game is not a cnc since it is not a bdsm scene with the player (it could be) nor is it with the mc (because the practice was not discussed beforehand so there is no consent to ignore the consent), which means that my consent as a player is not confirmed simply because I play : I didn't know the content you would suggest and you didn't allow an introduction for me to get prepared and actually choose what to do. DO NOT compare me leaving the game with a safeword. The harm is DONE. A safeword PREVENTS the harm. I thought you knew bdsm ? Consent and safeword are two completely different things and a safeword only works with enlightned, conscious, informed and enthusiastic previously given consent. Your game allows neither, I don't know what I will see or read, do or go through, I am confused but I trusted you because I followed your content warning perfectly thinking it was well informed. A little advice dom to "dom", work on your contracts, it terrifies me seeing how poor you are with language (not as in English since I am not a native English speaker, but language more generally) and communication, it is YOUR responsability to create an actual and fully safe space for your sub, not the sub's responsability.
3- Stop legitimising the rape in the game with a bdsm argument while you stated that the game is not bdsm and the rapist, YOUR persona (literally your words), not a dom. My point was exactly that : your game is not bdsm so don't use bdsm vocabulary, bdsm is not ambiguous and absolutely doesn't apply to "regular" life so you can not create content for "fantasies" that take space in a non bdsm context.
The first rule in bdsm is trust and consent, you did not place the trust and you did not actually make sure through actually well done introduction, trigger warnings AND content warnings that the player would consent to it. A video game with a rape scene ? ok no problem, it could be a critique, an exploration of trauma, a depiction of systemic violence, all of that could be labled as non-con, but you chose a sexualisation of it. Writing non-con which implies (in YOUR case) there will be rape, does not mean it will be a fantasy, a catharsis (by your description it really sounds like you were speaking of cathasis), or else, it just and simply means "rape", that's it. So no, I do not consent to the consumption of an erotised rape, and you did not prepare anything in the game for the player to engage in an actual bdsm scene. 

Secondly, and remember this well, it does not take a community allowing a practice for the practice to be "okay". You want to explore cnc with your partner ? You go buddy, you do you, that does not mean however that it is okay to do it, and even less to create content based on it : people who ACTUALLY fantasise about real rape could play it or enjoy a let's play, you would be the reason they have access to such content. I am not shaming your practices, I could not care less what you do behind closed doors, I am simply pointing out the issue of not questionning the things you do because "it is a fantasy for many which I provided", so you provide cause people like it (you not included because you do not count as the public) ? (rethorical question, no answers needed). It reminds me of the number of "dom" men with sub women compared to actual dom women with sub men, like it's something to accept because "people like it and it is consensual so it is okay". It is not okay, male educated and socialised people, because of their education and born privileges exercise a specific type of dominance over women, and a lot of them actually think they're dom when they're not and they're simply in the bdsm community to hurt women with no respect of bdsm principles, codes and values. See what I just did ? I took something, questionned it (it's much more complicated than the one line I am writing in this random itch io comment section) and understood that something more complicated than "people like it and discussed it so it's okay" was at play. Even if not your personnal case, it is so not anodyne that your rape scene in the game is a man perpetuating it to a fem looking mc and it's beyond me how clueless you are about it. Again, do not care what you do in private, I am solely speaking about the video game as content for people to consume so it will impact them even in the slightest way.

Again, as an artist I am heavily advising you : you have a responsability as someone who has a plateform and therefore as someone who holds a kind of power, you can not do just whatever you like.

Thirdly, I did not question your confidence in your queerness, again, could not care less. I was basically telling you, it is rich for someone to advertise the content or the profile as queer while acting so patriarcally cis straight. I know you are not cis, and I respect the gender you identify with, always, but news flash being trans does not mean you managed to deconstruct straightness or gender, or that you do not reproduce harmful patriarcal dynamics, again not talking about you but the things you allow your game to share to strangers.
Confidence is a thing, but it does not grant you the right to be misogynistic as much as any other form of discrimination. Example : being best friends with a POC (or even being a POC) does not allow you to be racist or use slurs, for some reason, people understand it for racism but never for misogyny.

As I said, this game was recommanded to me because I work on such topics, let's say I wasn't disappointed, heavy rich material I have to admit, thanks for that at least. If it makes you feel better, you are not the first nor will you be the last.

Please re-evaluate your views on using fiction as a way to excuse the fetichising of rape, to excuse real crimes, and to perpetuate systemic violence.
I do not mix fiction and reality, I understand how intertwined they are and how fiction shapes mentalities in real life and as beautiful as it can be, it can also enable the worst to happen. Don't patronise me, Boy.

All of this just for two simple main issues : not specifying rape into the content warning, and sexualising 'rape' which is a greater issue.

Cordially, a critical non binary POC who actually practices bdsm.

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Are you sure you just didn't read the content warnings in the game itself? Because I may have used Non-con in the game page, but the game itself has proper warnings, unless you believe Sexual violence is not rape. You should know exactly what you're getting into, yet you still chose to play the game.

Plus, you yourself said that non-con is a term used for fiction and fanfic. My Visual novel is quite literally that. Fiction. No where did I bring up anything about the game containing BDSM until you did. 

Most of my audience are members of the BDSM community and enjoys CNC, so it's not surprising that they enjoy the themes in my game, but that is it. CNC and rape is not the same thing, that is pointing out the obvious. But CNC is the sexualisation of a non- consensual sex act which is practiced through a safe medium with proper boundaries and consent. 

I understand your concerns regarding systematic issues, because I agree that alot of men simply aren't doms and uses the idea of BDSM to commit violence against women and queer people. You say you don't care what I do in private and my identity, yet you were the first to attack my queerness and preferences.

I know you have good intentions and I see it, but you are going about it in a very terrible way.

Also a queer, trans poc who practices BDSM, does sex work and have worked with sex workers and professional dominatrices. (Not sure why this information is relevant, but I'll add mine since you added yours)

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From reading this insane wall of text, it is clear that the only true 'issue' that you have against the game as a whole is the concept that scenes of CNC are represented at all, let alone explored in a FICTIONAL setting.

I, myself, have been in this exact situation and have been in a worst-case scenario just like these themes here. And trust me when I say this: This creator handled the subject of the topic better than any other source of visual novel media than anyone else I have known, let alone seen, explored this heavily in a way that still respects the very topic.

And you saying that the creator didn't do people like me justice and rant about how it is represented poorly on those that practice CNC is a HUGE insult to actual to me, as well as others that also see what the creator had achieved.

You state that the creator has insulted you and the very idea of the content that is provided and warned at nearly every angle before you even play, and that they have poorly labelled anything that you have stated within your line of dialogue.

I would like to remind you that they have labels for a reason and that it is repeatedly shown to you that the setting is FICTIONAL and that they, themselves, DO NOT CONDONE the acts that are portrayed in the game.

Clearly, you did not take the 'Player Discretion is advised' seriously and chose to get your own 
ego and what is left of your pride, of the themes this utterly wounded, rather than take it with a grain of salt and just enjoy the goal the game has clearly achieved. And that alone tells me that you do not hold even an ember of understanding in critical thinking and use the offence of your own emotions as a shield to avoid your own problems, rather than face them head-on.

Furthermore, there is 0 concept of anything racial being mentioned throughout the entire game as a whole, nor was there even a hint of anything remotely suggesting that POC are even being a sole focus for these things to be explored at all.

If anything, YOU even bringing it up as a counterargument tells me more about your lack of moral code of anything that is outside of your clearly biased ordeals of the manner and use it as another shield behind a computer screen, where you know you can play 'keyboard warrior' instead of using critical reading analysis to fully grasp the ONE SHOT novel of story that is of the character involved with Y/N.

And as a fellow writer AND artist that like to also explore these taboo topics on my own time and have a clear understanding of why these themes are considered taboo in the first place: You have missed the point entirely and are trying to just pick a fight with someone who is clearly more level-headed and more in the know of why these topics NEED to be explored in other mediums so that a more REASONABLE discussion of said topics can be better represented and better understood of how one COULD handle it.

It is not the creator's responsibility to cater to you, nor is it yours to give out highly inaccurate advice of what you deemed ideal, because, one more, YOU decided to get yourself hurt after KNOWING what the topics hold in detail.

Please, maybe do us all a favour, and just do not interact with something that is going to clearly bruise what is left of your already beaten down existence and compile yourself better in knowing YOUR boundaries over complaining that it was crossed by your OWN actions to a person that holds no responsibility of YOUR actions and reactions to these things and maybe, just MAYBE, actually find someone that have been in participation of these themes to expand your data base of being less bias.

Sincerely, A 10-time survivor of Rape Victim and explorer of Taboo Kinks of media like this.


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|| For anyone who won't read: 

All of this is because this person doesn't understand noncon in fiction. ||

Hey, so if you do a simple Google search, noncon is clearly a term used in fiction.

You as the player consented by reading all of the warnings and still choose to participate in playing that game (and if you choose to not read the content warnings in the description and in the beginning of the game then that's fully on you not the creator of the game.) If you don't want to consume CNC or noncon content, you don't have to interact with it, because you're not the audience for it. It's stated multiple times in the content warnings that there will be non-consensual acts, including sexual acts, and that you shouldn't participate in them in real life. Please do your proper research before publicly posting your opinion about something you don't know about you're just embarrassing yourself. ^^