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@Durance Gaming - I appreciate your benefit of the doubt on my behalf. Thank you. As for the other person, yeah that's pretty much what I'm talking about lol.

@redonihunter - You said something that really stuck with me. "If there would be a gallery of oil paintings and someone would submit a photographed print of something that looks like an oil painting, that gallery would very likely reject it." For some reason that made me feel better overall. I think the biggest problem I'm facing is that I can't find any gallery. It's either total AI slop/AI bros or furious anti-AI hate. There doesn't seem to be an inbetween where you can actually try new things.

To whomever it may concern, the recent videos I was referring to were simply visual examples of something I had been working on for over 6 months. It's just a visual representation of how Poly-Rhythmic Congruence plays out in real time. Two short 2-minute clips to illustrate/sum-up 6 months of amateur research.

A simple explanation for PRC is like how you can take a music video, remove the music, and add in a completely different song but it still looks like they go together because the video was made to similar beat/timing. Except with PRC, it's a phenomena that can happen with completely unrelated things. So I used my own written poetry as prompts, my own illustration for the 1st frame, and used them to create a 2-minute micro story to show how even the AI generator coincidentally follows the same musical timing and patterns. The video was placed at the center of the screen, and then audio-driven patterns were edited in to help viewers pinpoint the appropriate areas of congruence. The second video was the same, except used a different image every 5-10 seconds to see if they would match the audio patterns (which they did). So 3 completely unrelated sources (audio, visual, interpolation) coincidentally coming together as if intentionally timed. It was a demonstration of a phenomena that needed 2 short videos.

It's not supposed to be "hey look at this thing I didn't draw" it's supposed to be "I have used AI to demonstrate this principle" but no one ever bothers to read the "about" section of the video. They just see obvious AI (which I don't hide) and scream "SLOP!!!" then ban me or wipe my stuff immediately, which is incredibly aggravating.

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redonihunter15 days ago(+1)

They just see obvious AI (which I don't hide) and scream "SLOP!

If the platform bans AI, it would be normal for them to ban it. But calling it slop is unnecessary. If the platform allows AI, complain to the platform about the moderators.

For newgrounds, they do ban prompt generated movies.

AI Animation

Any work that appears to be largely generated by a prompt will be removed

our goal is that the majority of the work is human-made and not AI-made

Apparantly no one told them, that digital movies are almost never human made. Giving instructions to a rendering software is not technically human made, but human instructed. Which would be literally what a prompt does with more luxury. The time when something like 2d cartoons were human drawn and then just photographed to make a movie are gone. I know what they mean, but it is poorly worded.

Speaking of photography, does a photographer create an image? How does that compare to a painter that does create a painting by hand? In the olden days, painters even mixed the paint themselves. How about the artistic value of a photo image? There can be no doubt that it is now considered as art, but how do images taken with a phone fit in the story? Every person now has the ability to just press a button on their always accessible pocket device and create an image in a second that has better accuracy than a traditional oil on canvas painter might create in a week. And with no skill in painting whatsoever.

Yes, even a child can operate an ai prompt. And we cannot call any output of such an activity art, just as we cannot call every selfie a piece of art. But still, there is skill than can be applied in operating the ai. It is different skills than painting with oil on canvas or than holding a stylus on a tablet or than composing textures in a rendering software. But skill nontheless. And with skill comes the possibilty to apply that skill masterfully, which is the root of art.

What you did or try to do is exploring that application of ai. You did not just try to recreate a thing a traditional artist could have done.

Itch is centered about games and not art. The closest thing that might apply are jams that are about games with ai. Like this one https://itch.io/jam/ai-game-jam-2 . And of course those experimental games that use ai for other things than assets.

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