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carlvs.marximvs10 days ago(+1)

You avoided my question because no model was trained by respecting licenses, which even OpenAI admits would be impossible.

Stealing or inspiration is very subjective, and honestly not that important here. The problem with GenAI is the sheer scale. Copying anything made by others still requires significant effort and maybe years of training for a single individual. GenAI simply ingested all the worlds data before people were aware it existed and can now generate an industrial scale of copied work and flood out the content it was originally trained on. See how Internet searches have become completely useless due to all the slop content that is now indexed.

Seeing as how its output is several orders of magnitude higher, the comparison to a few individuals inspiring (or copying) each other is not relevant.

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pabink9 days ago(-1)

Licenses are the highest expression of capitalism, that's exactly the point of this thread. It's impossible to fuck capitalism and respect licenses at the same time.

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carlvs.marximvs9 days ago

I'm not talking about how things work in a hypothetical society of the future, I'm talking about how they work now. Corporations like Microsoft and Meta stole the works of thousands of artists and used them to generate massive profits. Nvidia has transferred a record $954k/employee to capitalists (buybacks and dividends) just last year thanks to the AI craze.

You're telling me that you're fine with this, which is NOT the highest expression of capitalism?? Because fighting licenses is more important than fighting capitalists that are enclosing the creative commons?

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pabink9 days ago(-1)

First of all, there's no theft, because nothing was stolen from the artists; their works remain theirs. They simply weren't granted the rights to use them, and this is a rule introduced by capitalism. OpenAi, which you mentioned, has been accused by the capitalist system of having trained its models in violation of the license. I know that OpenAi and Sam Altman are equally capitalist, but they had to say "fuck capitalism" if they wanted to achieve their goals. The focus of the topic I opened isn't good and beautiful AI vs. bad and ugly AI.

Do we want to abolish AI? That's fine by me. Many jams don't allow the use of AI-generated assets, and that's a legitimate choice; I simply find it contradictory in this jam with this theme.

Ah...I'm Italian; this post was translated using AI. 

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