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And back to my first point, there is more detail in the dashboard disclosure than the yes / no question, and the detail is available to players who want to dig for it.

Where is this detail available for players? Where can I dig for it?

As far as I know, that "detail" is only a yes/no for graphics, sound, text and code. And if any of those is a yes, then the more information box shows "assisted" + all the selected categories.

It's not about soft wording, it's about accurate descriptions and the formalism used. Right now, the wording is misleading. What it means to be in the category https://itch.io/games/ai-assisted aka https://itch.io/games/tag-ai-generated is this and only this: one or more of the 3 ai asset categories or the ai code category is true.

An accurate wording for games would be: has ai assets or code.

Imagine a wood toy with metal bars for structure. The wood is hand carved, but the bars are not. So it is hand carved, but contains machine produced metal parts.

Would you call this wood toy machine produced?

That's what's currently happening if you call a game ai generated / ai assisted. It's not. Parts of the game are. Not the game itself.

And what OP is suggesting, is an actual detailed disclosure that is telling more than: has ai assets.

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Ratsnake Games2 days ago

So first of all, that analogy with the wood toy is a bit vague. The metal part might have been made with a CNC machine or die cast - or it could have been made on a manually controlled lathe. In the second case, most people would call it "handmade", the same way that handmade clothes may have been sewn using a machine.

If the metal parts were made with automated tools, then I would absolutely say that the tool is partially made using automated tools, and the phrase "handmade" would require some very major asterisks.

I also do not think these distinctions matter when it comes to the Internet Plagiarism Machine. Personally, I do not care if 5%, 50% or 95% of a product were made by a virtual dumbass that makes slop by stealing from other people en masse. It is tainted for me in all of these cases. The only acceptable percentage for me is zero.

I am far more lenient when it comes to "handmade" artisanal products - like, i would not complain about a "handmade" chair using off-the-shelf screws, but those screws are not a good analogy for AI-generated boilerplate code because the machine that makes the screw comes with far, FAR fewer ethical issues than the Internet Plagiarism Machine.

So personally, I think the binary "yes/no" question is absolutely fine. Even making the distinction between AI-made graphics, text, code and audio is a step too far, in my opinion, because to me it implies that using the Internet Plagiarism Machine for "art" is fundamentally different than using it for code. It isn't. Both of these uses just output slop based off the stolen works of others.

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redonihunter1 day ago(+1)

then I would absolutely say that the tool is partially made using automated tools, and the phrase "handmade" would require some very major asterisks.

You do not need to qualify it with any scenarios how the metal parts might be handmade or not, or bring a "handmade" label into it. That's not what my analogy was about.

I did not ask if you would call it handmade or 100% handmade with a disclaimer. I asked if the whole thing would be called machine produced (just because parts of it were machine produced).

You could have an item made out of 100% machine produced items, like a bunch of lego bricks, that were turned into a playhouse by a playing child. You would not call that house machine produced. You probably would even call it hand made. It. The assembled thing.

But that's what's currently happening. If you look at a game that used ai assets, let's say graphics, that game's more information box currently says: AI Disclosure: AI Assisted, Graphics

What does ai assisted mean? It means nothing, but reads as it would mean something. It is listed in the box as if it would be a seperate category.

The solution would be to rename ai assisted into something like contains ai, and have the more information box read like this:

AI Disclosure: Graphics

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Ratsnake Games1 day ago (1 edit)

AI Assisted means the game's creation was assisted by AI. Simple as that. It is a precise and accurate description of what it is.

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redonihunter1 day ago(+1)

Assistance implies active help. Something like old Clippy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Assistant

AI assistance sounds like you used such a helper. The disclosure questions do not even ask that. You could have gotten the plot for a game from a chatbot and it would not be covered by the disclosure. You could have used an ai assistant to playtest the game. And so on. The disclosure questions only ask about the final product. They want to know about the assets and code and that's what is filterable with the ai filters and the no-ai tag.

Therefore I disagree that this ai assintance term is simple, or accurate and precise. It is quite the opposite. It is misleading and vague.

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