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Hey. The only ai thing in the game is the song, and only the music part. I am no musician, but the lyrics was written by me. It's a dumb song, and I do recognize that ai is not capable to spit out anything consistent, it's clanky at best. I do not plan on using ai as content generation for my games in the future, at least not as ai spits it out. I thought the song was funny still, as I wrote the lyrics to fit the game, so yes, I used it. The game is for free, not even "pay what you want" is turned on (as on any projects I uploaded on itch), so this should not be a big of a problem. People use ai, even to generate full games, not that I am fond of that. I also avoid full ai stuff, though I have to admit it is developing like crazy. We should find its rightful place in making video games too, but should not be used as it is. This game is a jam game, made in a short time, it wasn't against the jam rules as far as I know, and it's not even a big part of the game itself.

I hope this answers your concerns regarding "pure ai gen content" with this game.

samthefireball6 days ago

I understand that it was only the music and that it is a free game. But philosophically, I will never want to spend time consuming anything that nobody thought worth spending time to make. I don't agree it needs to find a place in game development. You can use AI tools sure, such as using ai to check for bugs. But generative AI? No. It will always and forever have zero place in any artistic realm, it is built on stolen labor and I will avoid it at all costs.

If you're making the argument that "if you can't beat them, join them". The way you beat them is by being vocally opposed to it. And from what I can see, that has become the majority opinion.

LtCoyote6 days ago

You have the right consuming or not consuming anything at you leisure. We are just people and we can have different opinions. I never claimed to join them, but it is a piece of technology that should be known even if not used extensively, or at all. I have met different opinions regarding ai usage in game / indie dev and they range from zero to close to 100%. In my opinion, it could have some place in it, but not too much. Again, just different opinions.

Now, please put yourself in my shoes. I don't get too much attention with my games. And now I get a little, it's about one ai song. You nor anybody else will not convince me that me experimenting with incorporating an ai song in my game is that bad of a thing, so I should be condemned. If you want to make a difference, you should comment on forums where there are people to convince. Though I do appreciate that we are civil about it, I've seen worse "talks" about this matter. :) Have a nice day, I hope you had fun with my games until this came around.

samthefireball4 days ago

well to be clear, I shared around seek and destroy, made posts about it, I really enjoyed it. I was trying to give you attention. In this case, I am not going around publicly shaming you or drawing attention, I was just giving MY opinion. And it is one I feel extremely passionate about for very concrete moral reasons. I was just telling you that I cannot support any dev that uses it, period. It is immoral to me.

You're putting an emotional spin on it, when did I say "you are condemned"? I just said I cannot follow you. Same way I will not listen to musicians, watch movies, etc that use ai. There's plenty that don't and I want to support human artistic output. simple as that. And especially if you can't even fathom why I would feel that way, then we just don't see eye to eye so why would I continue to look out for more ai-infused games?

I've seen a number of devs use ai, got lots of backlash, understood the argument and why people are upset, and then retracted the assets. That's totally cool ,we all make mistakes. But thats not your reaction, you stand on it, so you do you. I just am not interested.

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