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Love Heart v Corrupted Heart. Confusion reigns. Help.

A topic by Apis4 created 76 days ago Views: 607 Replies: 21

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Apis476 days ago

What is going on here?

I used this as a guide to determine which girls I would engage with... because if they have a corruption path, then they do not require romance, and tutorial even said that this is the path with steamier content.

So I gave up on Muskaan and Liana and meh, some other ones... and JUST focused on Corruption.

NOW there is NO WAY to advance with those SAME WOMEN.

For example Kimiko and Zoey are both locked, they have events, the games does not say that I have ended their content, or they are no longer available. It just says I do not pass a Loyalty check.

WHAT?

How can I increase corruption AND loyalty at the SAME TIME? The former reduces the latter. If I chose the benign option, in all dialogues and interactions, I GET NO CORRUPTION.

I am interested in the corruption path, but some girls seem BIPOLAR and totally IMPOSSIBLE. I cannot keep Loyalty at 95+ for Zoey, or 90+ for Kimko, AND pursue Corruption pathways in game... BUT BOTH OF THEM have a CORRUPTED heart icon in the characters list. Not a Love Heart.

So what... they have... a corruption path, but you cannot be corrupted to unlock it? How does that work? How is that fair if so?

I even spent DAYS doing nothing but watching porn in the MCs room to get his corruption over 100 and unlock the Harem option on the bed, to see if that does something.....it did nothing.

Suddenly, there was these supposedly corruption path women, who were hard locked, because I was not Loyal enough?

Also meant I was locked out of the Shrink too!!!!

But I have not found a way in game to both advance corruption AND maintain loyalty. What gives? Am I doing something wrong? IS there a way to maintain the latter, whilst advancing the former anyway, I guess there HAS to be, right?

PulseHavenStudiosDeveloper76 days ago

Not all girls are corruption despite the purple hearts the corruption ones will throw themselves at you (example julie, eugene). while others despite having the corrupted heart will not.
You have to figure out by their personalities on what to do.
you can increase your loyalty at church (which is unlocked after lana's quest.)

As for girls like zoey or kimiko you must make them fall in love with you. (make the right choices basically)
make sure to maintain multiple saves for this...

Apis476 days ago (1 edit)

So, can I corrupt the corruptable hearted girls, AFTER I make them fall for me? Or was it just a mistake putting a corrupted heart beside their names?

If they have a purple heart, but that does not mean what it says it means, why? Unless I can make them fall for me, then go corruption?

Sorry if I am being bothersome... I am trying to enjoy the game, so do not want to waste time on women I cannot have (I do not play romance routes in games like this, if they have a Harem route I play that, if they dont I just stop playing)....there does not seem to be any steadfast way of KNOWING that, and rollback being HARD LOCKED for some parts, makes it even harder. So I am just trying to avoid having to start new games all the time. Because even with the Loyalty and Love aspects, sometimes there is no indication, what will lead to that.

Also, HOW can you go to church? I recall a story arc of one of the girls opens up and Church, and I perved on a Nun, but cant seem to find where it is. Unless I can raise my Loyalty, I am unable to progress.

PulseHavenStudiosDeveloper75 days ago

Church should be available after lana's quest. Go to church the way you go to kimiko's house

Apis475 days ago

Can I even DO that quest? Isn't Lana the Ex?

Also, do not get ANY texts on Sunday from the Shrink, either.

I have 0 loyalty and like, 200 corruption.

For some reason, I feel like the church scene played, and I thought one would spawn on the map, but seemingly it will not. When I go to Kimiko's house... or that way on the map... I only have the choice to go to Deborah's or Kimiko's.

Is there a special day or time I meant to go?

Definitely recall perving on a Nun taking a bath, but maybe it was an old save?

PulseHavenStudiosDeveloper75 days ago

Dude, try replaying again, and this time keep your LOYALTY..

Apis475 days ago

Damn.

Well I want to make a suggestion: Allow there to be a Loyalty generator that does NOT rely ON loyalty.

Corruption only Requires 10 Corruption to watch porn... then BOOM, you got all the corruption you want.

I think it is only fair there is the same for Loyalty. The Church should be independent of preexisting Loyalty, or just need LOW loyalty.

We should be able to redeem ourselves. Being locked behind a path which ALREADY requires HIGH loyalty, when corruption is SO EASY, feels like that is the path we're meant to play, and punished for having fun with the hoes... but everyone knows fun with hoes is part of developing a well rounded character :P

PulseHavenStudiosDeveloper75 days ago

There is that generator , it's called being decent.

Meaning in corruption events themselves you get a chance to not be the horny , not peek, shut down the other girls and etc

This gives you 10 or even 20 + loyalty back.

Again doable , but much like real life you gotta earn it.

Apis474 days ago(-1)

But I assume that is at the expense of naughty content, right?

What use is THAT?

This is a AVN... what separates and A..VN from a plain old VN style game... is, well, the A bits... so being forced to forgo that content, to complete the main story, just seems self defeating.

Are we not meant to enjoy the adult content?

If you allowed a pathway BACK, that would mean no one had to miss out on ANYTHING. Real life? Meh, this is a GAME, people do not play GAMES for a real experience. No hunting sim, is going to top going out hunting, no fishing sim the same, no driving game will be as fun as going out racing, even if only at your local kart track, and likewise, no AVN will have sex or romance, or associated dynamics, even close to comparable to RL.

Anyway, I am done. Add easy Loyalty boosts, even from 0, or do not. I am just a player of your game.

But I wanted to like this game, some of the scenarios are Hot... Megan, Eugene, Deborah, Julie. and I am sure the Zoey and Kimiko thing would be hot too... all of them are somewhat inappropriate relationships.... forbidden fruit tasting the sweetest.....but if I have to work this hard to play it, it just is not worth it.

I am completionist. Not the Steam Awards pleb kind.. but the kind that likes to progress every story arc and character arc in a game, and having nothing left, but radiant missions IF it has them. Never played a game I did not 100% ... (well except Skyrim, because the Civil War arc is balls and worthless trash that everyone SHOULD ignore, so is the Blades mission to kill Parthenax)...but this game deliberately sets out to block my completion of story arcs, by projected morality of the author.

I am outta here, if I could give this a zero star review, I would.

PulseHavenStudiosDeveloper74 days ago

Give the zero star review and have a good day.

We'll make the game hoe we want to , you wanna play just another slop where you can fuck anyone and then expect girls in love to forgive you then plenty more exist.

Cheers.

Apis472 days ago (3 edits) (-1)

Done. But only because I could not give it negative stars.

Slop? Do not confuse lazy dead-end game play, for being unique and offering quality. Just make your game a romance, and be done with it is my advice. Or do not make the dead-end game play elements, and allow redemption from any point in the game. Forced replaying is not replayability.

If you want your game NOT to be a dud... either commit to it being solely a Romance AVN, or address the game breaking flaws of the Harem elements. Just hard locking progress away behind a flimsy morality system is lazy. If you really want to be able to call those games you seem to disdain SLOP, then you should try meet your own bar. Work out narratives, ones that are complex, and deep, emotional if you must (no one says it should be as easy as giving a jilted love/lover a rose and peck on the cheek), that allow one to move through those polarities. Specifically, the Loyalty Locked game play, because there is little to NO lock on Corruption path. Not doing so, will be seen by many people, as just a lazy, no hardcore gamer wants hard locked, dead-end, gameplay. Maybe you are not aiming at gamers... ok, fine... then perhaps another medium than a video game might be better for you.

If you ARE going to make a GAME, then if you have elements like hard dead ends, that have no warning, and no way back from, without restarting, but are not really narratively essential either, which these are NOT, sorry... then you will get bad press, and people will laugh when you are tone deaf enough to call OTHER peoples AVN's slop.

Make what you want. No one is saying you cant. I can share my thoughts, and ask for features, that is the price you pay for putting it out there and allowing public comment. I cannot make you do it though. What I can do, is tell you as someone who is a ground level, dawn of, day 0, gamer, of over 45+ year experience, that if you want your game to actually not just be slop of a different colour, then make the hard locked, dead end elements, work. Actually justify them, and warn of them, and make them consequential, much more than you do, or drop them, or just make your game solely a Romance AVN and remove any chance of them altogether.

You do none of that, and betray gamers hours of investment in your game, irrespective of if it is a free game or not... then you can expect every poor reception and bad rating and negative review you get. Just something to think about.

Have nice day too.

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DaSemicolon30 days ago

Will there be a point where how much church loyalty you can get isn't capped?

Apis430 days ago(-1)

Wow.... that was not even mentioned by the Dev... so you cannot even fall after you unlock the church huh? Because if you fall to far you cannot walk it back even WITH the church because there is a cap?

Man I cannot believe how terrible this game is!!!!

Dead End, Hard Locked, gameplay is terrible under ANY circumstances... but if there is a work around, like doing the Love/Loyalty route to X point, unlocking the church, then pursuing the Lust route.... that is a least something. Still TERRIBLE, ATROCIOUS gameplay.... just nuke the Lust route, and get rid of Harem play, rather than have it as something half hearted and needing strategic planning.

But the only reason to have Loyalty cap on the Loyalty generation mechanism, and NOT one of the Corruption one if SOLELY to HARD LOCK and DEAD END anyone who tries to pursue the Corruption girls AFTER unlocking the Church. That is a deliberate lock out, by the dev, to ensure you CANNOT experience certain content IF you want to actually FINISH the story and the gameplay to this point.

What a C*nt move. That is NOT replay value... that is cheap lazy crap.

I cannot believe HOW BAD this game is.

PulseHavenStudiosDeveloper29 days ago

Rate it 1 star and have a good day , I Prefer players that can give their opinions not vent their frustrations without even pointing out anything sensible.

Apis429 days ago(-3)

I rated it ZERO stars, and I HAVE POINTED OUT LOTS THAT IS SENSIBLE.

You made a game with hardlocked, deadend gameplay, that has NO warning, and cannot be walked back. There is no work around, it seems either, because the generation of ONE set of points, is capped, whereby the other IS NOT, until max.

You made a Romance AVN, centred around monogamous relationships... then included a Harem path anyway. But you evidently did NOT WANT to include one, so did not make it EQUAL to the Romance pathway, but instead, made it a half hearted thing, that locks you out of the majority of the game.

Sorry, this is OBJECTIVELY BAD GAME DESIGN. Just dump the harem path. Cut the Harem girls, and make it a pure Romance AVN full of Pick Me Mary Sues.

If you are going to make an unbalanced, unequal game, where one gameplay style is punished and DEADENDS the game, you are going to get complaints, and bad reviews, that is ON YOU, no we the players.

PulseHavenStudiosDeveloper29 days ago (1 edit)

Apis429 days ago(-1)

Glad you're learning, perhaps you will do better next time.

PulseHavenStudiosDeveloper29 days ago (1 edit) (+1)

The more you progress in churhc quests/ catherine the more options to increase more loyalty will be there.

Although the cap will still remain until the 60 corruption mark , as it would only make sense to repent and reduce until you've not gone off the deep end.

DaSemicolon27 days ago

OH THANKS I didn't realize that.

So does it become uncapped like watching porn but to a point (up to 140 loyalty/60 corruption)?

PulseHavenStudiosDeveloper26 days ago(+1)

No there will be one soft lock until 60 , because we want players actions to have a limit for redeeming . for context if you're just doing julie's questline and are shagging girls left and right without any remorse then you can't just go in church and ask forgiveness for that lol.

Apis426 days ago(-2)

AKA the biggest problem with this game.

Offers two pathways.... but only allows game completion following ONE with NO redemption possible.

What a dismal failure! WHY EVEN INCLUDE A HAREM PATH if it is a RAGE BAIT TRAP?

DaSemicolon19 days ago

Thanks! I think I got it- so you can get up to 60 loyalty as a one time thing (but not 60 loyalty/140 corruption).

Anyways, thanks for the answers!

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Dilemma of Devotion

Love Heart v Corrupted Heart. Confusion reigns. Help.