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Note: do not spam posts. I will let this one stand, and delete the others.

SubscribeStar is founded by a Russian. It is based in Wyoming, of all things, and does business via banks in the US and Europe. If it was a Russian business, it would be impossible for me to do business with it due to the ongoing sanctions.

It's fine, and understandable to have issues with Russia the country given what is currently ongoing. It is ignorant and destructive to broadbrush that attitude onto Russian PEOPLE. A great number of artists in this community are Russian, and have been severely impacted by the ongoing situation, both practically and by having their art incomes obliterated because of the sanctions. Cutting Russia off from SWIFT didn't just hurt the government (and actually the impact seems to have been minimal), it hurt ordinary people like you or me just trying to live their lives. It was a very dumb, very crude tool, and it mostly hurt all the wrong people.

SubscribeStar does not exist as a tool for Russians to bypass sanctions, and in fact even Boosty barely works for this anymore (again, I know this because I know Russian artists). SubscribeStar was created because many years ago a number of right wing talking heads were booted off Patreon and other platforms via coercion by payment processors for "reputational risk". Sound familiar? SubscribeStar stepped in to fill that gap, and also ended up doing a NSFW division because, even a decade ago, "platforms" were already starting to "deplatform" NSFW creators as well. A bunch of idiots cheered the "deplatforming" on at the time because "Right wing extremist bad!", "Degenerate porn bad!" etc etc, not realizing the knife would come for them too. Well, now it has. Censorship for anyone, INCLUDING YOUR ENEMIES is bad. Free speech MUST APPLY TO EVERYONE OR IT IS WORTHLESS. But idiots never learn this until the knife comes for them.

I am not SubscribeStar's accountant, but my assumption would be that a Wyoming company does not pay taxes to Russia, and cannot even process payments or payouts involving Russia for creators or subscribers at the moment. I cannot speak to the founder's personal finances. But to claim that to use SubscribeStar is to somehow fund the Russian government is inaccurate and inflammatory. 

To repeat what I have said many times, SubscribeStar does not have payment processor issues because it is somehow a lackey of the Russian government, or funding them. It has these problems because it has existed, from the beginning, as a place to go for those unfairly targeted and denied business by the typical payment system despite doing nothing illegal, the EXACT SITUATION I and countless other NSFW creators currently find ourselves in. When you do business on a card network, you have to have a receivership bank. That bank sets the rules, not just (or even primarily) Visa. SubscribeStar has chosen banks that are more open to "risk", which allows them to continue to exist without being bullied every time a Karen throws a shit-fit, but it also means some small percentage of OTHER banks on the network will refuse to do business with them. 

The problem here is not Russia. The problem is, again, the credit card cartel, in whatever manifestation it takes: Paypal, Stripe, Patreon and a dozen others. The fact that they INSIST on using their position to dictate morality to the general public. It's not about "excess chargebacks" or any other nonsense. They have appointed themselves a shadow-government over ordinary people, unelected and unaccountable, to ensure our "safety" by curtailing basic freedoms. 

You are of course free to to business, or not to business, as you see fit. But it's exactly that freedom the payment processors want to destroy. From my perspective, SubscribeStar should be lauded, because it did what every other platform SHOULD have done but was too cowardly, greedy and ideologically stupid to do: support LEGAL creators and their right to make an income, even if certain groups of people disapprove of them. We do NOT want to live in a world where you can only operate a business 98% of the population approves of it.

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This was posted in just one other place, since that is where I first found out about you using SubscribeStar, and later reposted here since it looked like a better fit for this topic... But fair enough, it wasn't my intention to spam.

I'll admit that I first did my research into Boosty, that one I dug real deep into and found a ton of dirt. I am happy that you also seem to acknowledge that what I said IS the case for that platform, so we don't really have a disagreement there.

As for SubscribeStar, you have some valid points. I started looking into it, quickly found out that it has russian roots (many russian businesses will register abroad and pull all sorts of tricks to hide their origin and allegiance, so registration alone doesn't really mean anything), then saw a few posts on russian-speaking forums with artists advertising it as a "domestic" alternative to all those "unfriendly western platforms and their unfair sanctions", and that was enough for me to blacklist the whole thing. I haven't looked into whether it operates in the same way as Boosty does, I simply assumed so since that is what people were advertising it as - a tool to bypass sanctions once they got removed from Western platforms after the new round of sanctions. It is possible that this is simply how russians are using it, and the few foreign artists on the platform see it completely differently. We'd also need to look into how they handle their finances, but I think ultimately this won't really change anything as from what I know there are no other alternatives.

The key difference and the thing I disagree on is that I believe in the concept of collective/shared responsibility. I know how their society works, I can speak their language and as such I see and hear what they talk about when it is just them. A lot of russian artists will pretend that they are "outside of politics" or are "too afraid to say anything" just to keep doing business with the Western audience. They get a lot of money and the westerners get a clear conscience and relatively low prices from doing business with the "good russians". But then the same artists will openly support the war if it is in a conversation with another russian (or someone they assume to be a russian based on the spoken language). I've had many russian friends like that, who showed their true colors only after the invasion has started... all the chauvinism and hatred when you refuse to bow down to their way of things, their world view. I am not saying there are no good Russian people, there certainly are. There also is a fair number of Russian artists who will put flags for Russian opposition, peace movement, or even "stop war" or "support Ukraine" slogans straight on their profile, or will at least state their opinion when asked, contrary to all the excuses from the ones who simply lie and dodge...

That said, it is still my belief that russian citizens are totally responsible for the atrocities of their government because it is their outright ideological support, profit-driven cooperation, or at the very least silent indifference that allowed all of this to happen. It isn't a million Putlers who are invading Ukraine now, but rather over a million russians who signed contracts with the Ministry of "Defense" and who are fine with slaughtering innocents for money... not to mention tens of millions who are voluntarily donating funds to keep their military going despite the wide-spread government corruption, and just about as many people assembling weapons and directly working for the government to prop up the current kleptocrat regime. So no, I totally believe in ALL sanctions that were placed on the russian people, effective or not. This war will end only when the population of the invading country PERSONALLY feels enough discomfort to stop supporting this slaughter or alternatively just start caring about "politics" enough to end Putler's rule. Remember, they can stop this at any moment and just go home, but every day tens of millions of them chose to sacrifice their own lives and futures to satisfy ambitions of their beloved "uncle Putler"/czar, most often because those ambitions coincide with their own >_>

But hey, that's just me... obviously this topic is very important to me as it directly affects myself and my family. Ultimately, I think we two have an understanding, so I'll just stop before this becomes even more political than it already is. You certainly have enough BS to deal with right now, so apologies for bringing up this mess too.

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No problem. I appreciate the reasonable response. You also, obviously, have a lot to deal with right now, so best of luck to you as well.

I'll just clarify one thing: When the sanctions went into effect, they didn't happen all at once everywhere. There was a gradual cutting off of service, different places at different times. SubscribeStar was, from memory, one of the last to do so, but not by a meaningful amount. Maybe a month or two. This may have given the appearance of them being some kind of bridge, but they were not, at least for any meaningful amount of time. Their banks are willing to court higher risk, but they're still not going to flout US sanctions.