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I love this VN quite a lot. There has to be an aspiring astrophysisist or just regular physisist. I hope we get even a layman's explanation of how this Mæron works. As time should slow down near any source of gravity, and the more gravitational energy, the slower time for those near it becomes. If Tucker was pulled out of his universe via some sort of black hole white hole situation he's fucked. He's going to die in a painful way and it will have scrambled his electrons and protons like eggs. Tyr knows this, and I'm betting he's seen it happen, which is why he's being so coy. If it is a totally different universe rather than another part of our own, he has no universe to go back to. The fact they are trying to harness gravitational energy is both genius and unfathomably stupid. Also, wouldn't the people on the ship age much slower than others from the Alrain system? That's just how time and gravity do after all.

Nayan_Bjorn146 days ago(+3)

What you said makes a lot of sense to me. like if Tucker really was transported via some kind of black hole the time it took him to get to the station was almost instantaneous, but outside It's been months or years without saying that the radiation from this could somehow cause whatever is happening to him. I love your brain.

Cale_82146 days ago(+4)

Well, if it was a wormhole that's one thing, but a black hole? That's a whole nother can of worms. For it to be a power source, as far as I know only a black hole could theoretically be used to create some sort of unlimited power. As a worm hole doesn't really create usable power, it requires massive amounts to function. That's theory though. We know a black hole has something properties that could be exploited to create energy though. Would it be worth the risks though? Probably not, would've been easier to build a Dyson sphere. Being a worm hole though would help with the story of the Mæron being ancient, because as for as we know one would have to build one as they don't occurr naturally. Black holes just need a star with the right amount of mass so you could throw some asteroids at it to push it over the edge to get it to go supernova creating the hole. Buuuuutttt, if it is a black hole Tuckers universe is gone. Disappeared, blinked out of existence in a microsecond. As you get closer to the event horizon, time for you would seem unchanged. But to an outside observer, it would seem as if it's slowing down. To the point where you crossed the horizon. They then would see you freeze, then you'd slowly get redder and redder as your photons are slowed down causing you to red shift. To the point you dissolve. If you were watching the universe you came from as you crossed the horizon. Time for it would speed up until just as you crossed all the time from that universe would pass instantly. You'd be watching the end of your universe play out instantly. Ergo, Tucker has no home to go back to as the universe that home was in no longer exists. Tyr knows this, and I bet this has happened before. He's to stubborn, proud, or ignorant to admit he really doesn't know what he's doing. God I hate having ADD & ADHD.

Marmiadoise145 days ago(+3)

Hello, I'm that just a regular physicist you talked about, I might not be able to explain how the Mæron works as it is a work of fiction but I can speculate on how it might work

First I'll try to give some feedback on your own speculation and then I'll give my own.

You are correct that time dilation occurs next to strong gravitational fields, however in theory this effect can be contracted by negative mass/energy, so I wouldn't rule it out

you mentioned how if it was a black hole tucker would be dead(his electrons would be scrambled?), could you elaborate on this?, im not aware of any reason for this as some black holes, namely the "supermassive" ones at the centers of galaxies have event horizons big enough to avoid death by Spaghettification(stretching to death).

Black holes are theoretically quite "easy" sources of "infinite" energy as you could accelerate things off them.

Worm holes are theoretically naturally occurring, just highly unstable without exotic matter

What you said about falling into a black hole and seeing the universe's end is theoretically 100% true and very impressive for someone not in the field!.

As for my own speculation, I'm more interested in the "hum" it's supposedly emitting, as that is (very) vaguely consistent with hawking radiation, especially with small sized black holes like this one would have to be.

Cale_82144 days ago (1 edit)

Well being that the potential black hole is inside a ship, and it was only large enough to affect one person id say it's not supermassive. Smaller black holes are even more dangerous imo. Negative mass/energy? Are you saying something like antimatter, antiprotons etc? The him being killed/scrambled is just a theory to explain why he seems to be slowly losing his mind. Not to mention is seemed like Tyr knew exactly what was happening to him and is refusing to tell him, possibly to spare him. We don't know what the effects on a living being traveling through a black hole to another universe would be. I wasn't going with spaghettification as the reason for him to die, I just didn't word my thoughts correctly. As I know the larger the hole the "safer" it is, it also needs to be spinning as well no? Could also end up being a donut 🍩 shape as well? Small black holes are the human-pastamaker ones. As the tidal forces between say your head and feet if u went in straight up and down is far too great and it can literally break the particle bonds making up your body, no? I'm just wondering if it somehow messed with the actual matter making up his body, right down to the electrons, protons, quarks and gluons. Heck, maybe it messed with the spin of the particles. Maybe it made the particles in his brain or change their handedness? Maybe their universe is predominantly left handed vs right or vice versa and that's causing all sorts of crazy shit? Wormholes while theoretically natural, don't most theorize they would be rather small without "feeding" them in order to increase their size and keep them more or less stable? Yeah this "hum" does sound like what they're harnessing from the hole to use as a power source. My wonder is, would a black hole be easier and/or safer than say, a Dyson sphere or swarm? I know gravity has ENORMOUS potential as an energy source, and it will far outlive every star, even red dwarfs in the universe, no? I'm also trying to understand the gravity well in the penultimate episode. It worked opposite of normal gravity, antigravity if you will. Yet he said it seemed as if its effects lessened the farther away from the center you got. Which would make sense with a black hole, but it's the opposite effect so.......white hole possibly? I've never studied astrophysics or even physics in general, I'm an auto mechanic. So, it's nice to know I got at least one part kinda right.

Marmiadoise144 days ago(+1)

That's quite a long message but I'll try my best to respond to all your questions, also a reminder that my field isn't astro so there may be answers I do not know.

You asked if by negative energy/mass i was referring to antimatter, and unlike the confusing naming would suggest, they actually have nothing to do with one another, antimatter has positive mass and energy and exists, negative mass/energy is purely theoretical

I dont know what you mean with the black hole needing to spin, all natural black holes spin as far as I know, I also don't know what you mean by doughnut shape, if you're referring to the singularity and the effects of the ergosphere on it then I can inform you I have absolutely no clue what happens there and no one really does.

You also mentioned that Tucker might have moved to a universe with a different handedness/parity, that was a creative idea i haven't heard before, took me some time to properly think about it, it's probably not what happened because a basic change of parity would fck up lots of stuff in noticeable ways.

as for all your worm hole related questions, I have no clue, I know they're natural solutions for einstien's field equations and unstable so would need negative mass/energy to work but no more than that.

You also asked if a black hole generator would be easier and/or safer than say, a Dyson sphere or swarm, to that i say they're both sci-fi, at the end of the day they're both just fictional ideas, so both are not practical at all

It's nice to know that people are that interested in physics, and you know a lot about this subject, but I wouldn't fret about finding an exact physical phenomenon for the Mæron, imo its nicer to theorize broadly, most sci-fi doesn't exactly follow the theory anyway, and to be honest I like it better that way

Cale_82134 days ago

So, I had a thought. What if the gravity well operates on the theory of repulsive gravity? Einstein's equations state it's possible to have repulsive/anti gravity, and some theorize that's partially responsible for the acceleration of the expanding universe. I'm not so sure about that but, it could work in this case to explain Rhoun's little impromptu experiment/floating session, 😆. Maybe the creation of the black hole 🕳 in the Mæron has a side effect of producing small pockets of repulsive gravity‽? I hate having ADD & ADHD, as I'm constantly thinking about stupid shit like this. I'm not intelligent enough for all this physics. I'm an auto mechanic, I shouldn't be having, or even being capable of these thoughts 😅.

Cale_82128 days ago

Could they possibly send him to his home universe via a white hole? If we ignore the math saying his universe blinked out of existence the moment he crossed the event horizon and, if they could control or somehow know what universe it would send him into that is. Is there no way to private message on here? Would be nice to converse more.

Cale_82113 days ago

Any new theories?

Cale_82135 days ago(+1)

Another thought I had. Their whole civilization, the entire species, they had to have had previous human contact somehow? Dog breeds didn't and wouldn't occur naturally via evolution. They required humans getting there grubby fingers into their DNA via selective breeding to get even just the breeds in the story. If not, they would've ended up more or less like Adastra. A wolven population with only things like color, size, build etc, not dobbies, Saint Bernards, and whatever Rhoun is.

Cale_82135 days ago(+1)

I am also of the theory that aliens did visit earth way back when, but not so far back that there are no humans. We just didnt have the means to preserve the proof of it. Though in some cave drawings depicted flying ships with people in them that decidedly were not human.

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