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I also came here after playing Type Help, and Cellar wasn't what I expected it would be, but it's an experience that's going to sit with me for a long time. I feel like I've bonded with these characters after going through such a bizarre, drawn-out, and sometimes traumatic expereince together.

I was curious enough to unpack and browse through the game files after finishing, and along with re-playing a few sections I was able to confirm a few things, but there are still a lot of questions that don't have in-game answers.

A few things I missed the first time around:

Gur fgbel ba gur yrsg fvqr bs gur obbxfurys.

Gur cynlnoyr PQf ba gur furyirf va gur yvivat ebbz. V guvax V znlor fnj gurz bapr ba gur frpbaq qnl naq gura cebzcgyl sbetbg nobhg gurz jvgubhg rire cynlvat gurz, naq gura ol gur gvzr V tbg gb gur raq V sbetbg gurl jrer rira gurer.

One thing that I thought and ended up being wrong about in the middle of the game:

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A couple other things I had been curious about:

V unq jbaqrerq nobhg gur PQ va gur uvqqra ebbz jvgu gur unaqcevagf. Vg frrzf yvxr gur bayl jnl gb vagrenpg jvgu vg vf gb gnxr vg qverpgyl gb gur PQ cynlre jvgubhg vagrenpgvat jvgu nalguvat ryfr nybat gur jnl, naq gura jura lbh qb, vg gheaf bhg vg'f oebxra.

V unq jbaqrerq vs Fbcuvr zvtug or gur fnzr Fbcuvr gung yrsg n unaqcevag jvgu gur cerivbhf tebhc, ohg nsgre tbvat guebhtu gur svefg pbairefngvba ntnva V'z pbasvqrag gung gurl'er gjb qvssrerag crbcyr.

A few other things I was able to confirm for myself (ROT47):

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Cocytus135 days ago(+1)

I appreciate such a detailed reply! Obviously we'll never get confirmation, but here are some of my own theories:

Gur Guerr Lbhat Dhrraf fgbel frrzrq fvtavsvpnag gb zr gbb. Zl penpxcbg vqrn vf gung Fbcuvr vf gur bar erfcbafvoyr sbe gur fvghngvba orpnhfr ure bofrffviryl ybbxvat nsgre gur bguref erfrzoyrf gur lbhatrfg dhrra pnevat sbe gur jbhaqrq oveq; nf jryy nf gur 'bgure' Fbcuvr va gur unaqcevag ebbz. Naq lrf, gur oebxra PQ jnf fhpu n gebyy zbir!

Creuncf na rppragevp ovyyvbanver jub qbrf guvf rirel fb bsgra gb sbepr svir crbcyr gb unat bhg jvgu ure? Gur fgngr bs gur snpvyvgl qbrfa'g znxr frafr vs fur unf gung xvaq bs ohqtrg gubhtu. Jung jnf vg va gur rneyl pbairefngvba gung pbaivaprq lbh vg jnfa'g ure?

V jnf nyfb nynezrq ol Yhxr'f fvpxarff - jnf guvaxvat gung rvgure Fbcuvr xvyyrq uvz bss be jnf uvqvat uvf qrngu fvapr fur jnfa'g yrggvat nalbar ryfr frr uvz, fb jnf dhvgr fhecevfrq jura ur ghearq hc nyvir naq (riraghnyyl) jryy.

Ertneqvat gur snpvyvgl vgfrys, V unq fvzvyne gubhtugf - zl nffhzcgvba jnf gung gur funsg unf fbzrguvat gb qb jvgu vaterff naq rterff. Un, V'z na FPC-sna zlfrys naq Glcr Uryc vf irel zhpu va gung irva, fb vg jbhyqa'g fhecevfr zr vs vg jnf vaqrrq n pbagnvazrag fvghngvba. V qb jbaqre vs gurer'f fbzr fvtavsvpnapr gb gur gjb unyirf bs gur onfr - jul jbhyq gurl fgbc erabingvbaf unysjnl?

I'd love to know if the dev has concrete answers to these questions in mind (even if he wouldn't share them), or if it's entirely open-ended.

While the format is quite different, you might also enjoy Her Story and Immortality by Sam Barlow - check them out if you haven't already.

12c135 days ago (1 edit) (+1)

Thanks for the suggestions, I enjoyed playing Her Story years ago and the Qernqshy Jvaq naq Enva song still goes through my head every once in a while. I hadn't heard of Immortality before but I just added it to my Steam and GOG wishlists and I'll check it out if I can grab it at a good discount.

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Bar bs gur znva ernfbaf jul V gubhtug Fbcuvr jnfa'g gur unaqcevag Fbcuvr vf orpnhfr fur qvqa'g frrz snzvyvne jvgu gur ynlbhg bs gur snpvyvgl. Fur nyfb znqr gur pbzzrag nobhg abg orvat noyr gb frr urefrys trggvat gb gur raq bs guvf, juvpu fubhyq or rnfl gb vzntvar vs vg'f fbzrguvat fur'f qbar orsber. Naq gur pbzzrag nobhg cebonoyl tvivat hc vs fur unq nal pubvpr va vg. Ba gur bgure unaq, vg vf fhfcvpvbhf gung fur fgnegrq bhg ol nfxvat ubj znal ner arj, yvxr gur svefg guvat ba ure zvaq jnf gung vg'f cbffvoyr gb qb guvf zber guna bapr.

Vs shaqvat vffhrf nera'g erfcbafvoyr sbe gur fgngr bs gur byq onfr, gura znlor vg'f n fnsrgl vffhr vafgrnq. Znlor znwbe ercnve jbex jbhyq qvfgheo fbzrguvat gung fubhyqa'g or qvfgheorq.

Ertneqvat gur Pubcva zlfgrel, Fbcuvr fnlf fur nfxrq nebhaq naq abobql fnlf gurl xabj ubj gb cynl. Ohg rirelbar cynlf vg ng yrnfg n yvggyr ovg va tnzr, rira Yhxr jub pynvzf gb or n cvnab travhf naq gura bayl uvgf enaqbz abgrf va uvf qhrg jvgu Fbcuvr. Vs Pubcva jnf orvat cynlrq ol bar bs gur punenpgref, zl svefg thrff jbhyq or Unaanu. Gur ivbyn vaqvpngrf gung fur'f zhfvpnyyl vapyvarq, naq sebz gur abgrcnq cenax jr xabj fur yvxrf zrffvat jvgu crbcyr.

N pbhcyr zber gvqovgf sebz gur tnzr svyrf: Gurer'f n Tevrt svyr gung pna bayl or urneq ol rqvgvat lbhe fnir gb qnl guvegl bar, naq gurer'f n Snheé svyr gung frrzvatyl qbrfa'g trg cynlrq va-tnzr ng nyy.

FutureNormal130 days ago(+1)

It's cool there's more people talking about this game. I played through it last year and still think about it from time to time.

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12c130 days ago (1 edit) (+1)

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FutureNormal128 days ago

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