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Lynn Xternal131 days ago

omg I love Fern so much!

Couple of Fern bugs:

Using flask reduces health when overhealed
Stamina regen itself drains energy when overhealed
1. Same applies with Violetheart
2. Collecting restore which would have otherwise overhealed causes underheal upon co-incident stamina regen
3. "Free" dig upon restore cell collection causes underheal
Unpredictable heal amount when overhealing from un-overhealed state with Sanguine Signet compared to without (not sure if bug; should the +depth/50 just be added at the end of the calculation?)

Bonus hard mode bug:

Iron helm (and possibly other headwear) can be unlocked twice. It also shows up twice in the headwear slot (until page refresh or equip)

Scoot131 days ago

I'm really glad you liked Fern, she is one of the more complex turtle, mechanics-wise.

Now, onto the bugs:

1. Thanks for reporting the flask interaction with overheal. I've implemented a general fix to how consumables are handled, which should indirectly resolve this issue.

2. Regarding stamina regeneration: it doesn't actually drain stamina when you're overhealed, it simply doesn't activate. The apparent stamina drop you're seeing is likely the cost of digging the cell that triggered the regen tick, not the regen itself.

3. I haven't been able to reproduce the issue with restore cells causing underhealing, but just to clarify: overheal is applied at 50% of the original heal amount. So, for example, if your max stamina is 50 and you're already full, collecting a +30 restore cell will give you +15 overheal (rounded down).

4. Similarly, I haven't been able to reproduce the underheal effect from titanium tools' "free dig" when combined with restore cells. It might be related to that same 50% overheal rule, but let me know if you spot a consistent pattern.

5. For the Sanguine Signet: the stamina bar shows the total change, so let's say you're at 46/50 stamina and pick up a +30 restore. You'll see a +17 change, that's 4 to top off your normal stamina, and (30 - 4)/2 = 13 going into overheal.

6. I have fixed the bug with headgears unlocking twice (hopefully).

Lynn Xternal129 days ago (1 edit) (+1)

Thank you for addressing these!

2, 3, 4. This bug is still present; I'll try to explain it better, haha:

When simultaneously regenerating and collecting restore from a low enough state, the regen stacks on the restore cell with the 1.5 multiplier, -1 for the dig itself. This is correct. When regenerating from an already overhealed state, the regen does not add any bonus, but the next dig costs -1. This is also correct, even when simultaneously collecting a restore cell while already overhealed. The problem is when regenerating upon collecting a restore cell that would have otherwise caused overheal.

Try to collect a restore cell that would cause overheal (maybe with 32/50 stamina; this should get Fern up to ~56/50). Next, try to do the same thing, but get the restore cell in such a way that your regen kicks in at the same moment you dig the restore cell. This will cause underheal (stamina goes up to 56/50, but regen takes it down to 50/50 instead of taking it to 55/50 or even leaving it at 56/50. 55 should be the correct outcome, because +24 overheal/-1 dig and no regen when already healed). The status update on the stamina bar actually shows -7 for this specific example, which seems like the regen is added to the overheal bonus, but all 7 stamina points are removed. It should instead show -1 and go to 55. The same issue was happening with the titanium free dig, but I haven't been able to check if that was fixed (requires luck, haha). The issue is still present when wearing Violetheart; the stamina will go up to 56, then 58, then -8 back to 50.

5. The Sanguine Signet bug was actually that the (30-4)/2 part was not being calculated consistently when below a depth of 50 with Fern; it would vary by some amount. I haven't tested if it has been fixed yet, so I apologize! However, Sanguine Signet's effect is still affected by the simultaneous regen bug

Scoot129 days ago(+1)

2, 3, and 4 should now be fixed. Thank you again for the incredibly clear breakdown, it really helped pinpoint the issue.

While working on those, I also caught a separate bug: titanium tool effects weren't triggering on non-basic cell types. I only noticed it because I cranked up the proc chance during testing. So that's been addressed as well.

I seriously can't express how grateful I am for your detailed notes and the time you've taken to investigate these edge cases. It makes a huge difference!

Lynn Xternal129 days ago

Fantastic! Speedy as always!

And it's my pleasure =)

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