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Overall, looking forward to seeing more of this. I like the style a lot.

Unfortunately, the controls didn't feel great. I was getting a lot of dropped inputs. While on the ground, space wouldn't jump sometimes, even after standing still for a solid second. Some attacks wouldn't happen in the air either. The cooldown/recovery on attacks felt kind of unresponsive, too. I'd suggest adding a buffer or IASA frames to attacks.

Also, the game seemed to softlock after I used the meteor slam into the lava/water. I couldn't move and I wasn't taking damage. 

I also had to unplug my controller to make talking to a slime work, which I think is a common GM problem.

Hope it's not too hard to sort some of this out, good luck!

Yeah, I kind of forgot I did a bunch of things to make the game harder recently. I added the healing from upgrade areas, reduced healing from other sources, buffed the cube heads, and halved the player's max health all a few days before this demo. So, now I know I made it way too fucking hard, heh.

Since watching that gameplay I already increased the healing received from spent souls a bit, added a flat 15 free healing there, slowed the cube head's attacks down a bit, and lowered the number of enemies spawning in the first room.

The game gets plenty hard down the line, it doesn't need to be stupid that early.

Thanks a whole bunch for the video and feedback, I'd be pretty lost without the lovely boys in these Demo Days.

Thanks a lot for the gameplay video! I overhauled the difficulty this time around, so watching someone play for the first time is great. How did you feel about the difficulty? I tried to make it unforgiving early, to really force you to see how I want you to play. Was that frustrating? Or did you enjoy the challenge?

This game's great. That's all I have to say about that.

By the way, when I looked up "harmonic" on itch I saw like 12 games before this one, you should maybe add that to the tags or description or something. I'd imagine most people won't type the colons into search bars

Heh, guard points have been in there for a while, I wasn't messing around when I said "there are many hidden mechanics and techniques." Just recently I realized you can (dash->jump cancel->dash cancel) to move fast as fuck. I don't even remember if I did that on purpose.

Flinch animations would feel nice, but probably make it a lot harder to tell what state they're in. If I was working on a 3D game that shit would have been in there on day 1. I agree the scythe guy's attack animation is pretty awful, I'll probably touch that up soon. I'm also going to be adding distinct attack telegraph cries, so that should also help a bit.

Thanks for the feedback

The difficulty of level 1 seemed normal. I guess it depends on what the player is expecting. Not much easier or harder than games like Metal Slug and Alien Hominid, although the boss gave me some trouble. On that topic, I found myself dying a few times to the snakeboy when he came up from under me, especially in the middle of the screen. You can get used to it, and learn when he's going to come up there, but it's almost impossible to react to the first couple times. The second boss does a great job of telegraphing the slam while still being hard to avoid. The checkpoints do a good job of letting you get back in the fight without making you feel like you cheated when you win.

Final thoughts: I'd actually really appreciate a speedrun mode or ranking system to push me to 1cc the game. The former shouldn't be too hard to implement. Also, I still have no clue what the fuel pickups are. I guess they're bombs? Fuel might be a bad word to illustrate that

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Man, those are some nice, quick ideas! Joystick support is in, and I added a nice little spawn animation that should be noticeable without cluttering the field even more. I also increased their spawn wakeup period so you have more time to react to it. (22 frames to 32.) That new build's up if you want to give the old joystick a whirl. Glad to hear you enjoyed it, thanks for the feedback.

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Glad you enjoyed it. The enemies' ability to switch direction when attacking is actually tightly controlled on a per-enemy basis. If they can't do that to some degree, it becomes extremely easy to control them by running through repeatedly. I'm extra glad you like the sounds, too! I just whipped a lot of those up after dreading sound design for several months, so it's a relief to hear they're passable. Thanks for the feedback.

Thanks a bunch for all the feedback and kind words! I never would taken the game this far without detailed posts like these, so I appreciate it a lot.

Posted this comment in the wrong spot the first time:

I love it, same as last DD. If I have one gripe, it would be the input for the fast-fall. Down+dash would feel much more natural to me for that action, and wouldn't cost you anything to implement. I already enjoy this more than similar indie run and gun games, keep up the good work!

holy shit

I actually made the game quite a bit harder since DD16, so I'd say you got better at it! That could be a sign that the first boss did its job of forcing the player to learn the importance of blocking early on. It's been really hard to get people to hit the block button, so now I'm glad that's working out.

The 2.5d look is definitely new, and if people like it, I'll definitely keep it. Every decent Roguelite I can think of is purely 2d pixel art, so hopefully it will help make my game look unique.

Thanks for the feedback

Thanks a bunch, hits feeling impactful is the single most important thing to me for this game. It's pretty relieving to hear people enjoying it.

>its hard to see enemy attacks in the chaos

I agree completely. I've been working on this for a while, and it's a major priority. Having the immediate threats in the foreground and making the player aware is going to be super important for helping players learn the game. I was thinking I'll add very distinct, progressive sound effects for enemy attacks, and thin the hitsparks/blood a bit.

>One thing that bothered me was that the main light attack seems to have some kind of very small delay before it starts

This is most likely just an issue with the animation being very unresponsive. Luckily, animation is my number 1 priority until the next Demo Day, so that should probably be feeling great by then.

Hmm. I don't think I touched any of the controller stuff. Right now I'm using Unity's stock input system, hopefully that won't have to change.

With the multiplayer in a mostly playable state, I'm thinking I'm just going to work on animations for a while. COMPLETE notguts might be on the horizon.

Thanks for the feedback, as usual. I'd love to play a new build of Devil Engine if you're putting one up this time

Thanks for the feedback!

I've been considering overhauling the slide to make it more useful, as a lot of people are saying they wish they could dodge. I think that will be my next goal.

The advantage to blocking is a little hidden, which it maybe shouldn't be... Basically, you can attack immediately after blocking, and if you do it counts as a "perfect" attack so it comes out faster as well. Hopefully the new slide will contrast and fill out the defensive options.

Thanks! It's hard to give the greatsword that feeling of weight while still feeling responsive, but I think giving the attacks proper animations helps a lot. I hadn't heard of 2d toolkit before, I'm just using native 2d and a custom (shitty and broken) collision system with raycasts.

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>The enemies are not a problem unless they have the ranged attack (and maybe the winged ones)

This is completely by design, those enemies are supposed to be "filler" that make dealing with the real threats harder. The "threats" force you to block or dodge around their attack. I think the problem with this version, and why people were calling it easy, is that I wait until Layer 3 to introduce the threats into the spawn pool. 

I already made the first Layer harder, and I'm going to add tanky bosses you can't stunlock to introduce the importance of blocking/dodging early on.

Thanks for the feedback, difficulty balance would be impossible without it

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>Blocking is kinda weird too

Yeah, it's harder to use than I intended. Objectively, it has a longer window and a shorter recovery than fast-rolls in Dark Souls, so it's a powerful tool. The problem is most people just press it too early and don't realize they're hit in the "not guarding, but you can cancel into anything" phase. I'm hoping a clearer animation and players learning enemy attacks better will fix that up, because blocking is fun when it's working

Once you've equipped an ability to a slot, it works like special attacks in Smash Bros, but they cost a lot of stamina. The other items are always working, but you might have to experiment to find out what they do.

When I asked my artist friend for concept art, I asked him for a legally distinct Guts, so you're right on the money

Thanks a bunch for the feedback

Compared to DD14, I got farther in my attempts (up to the miniboss in Level 2 instead of dying to the boss in Level 1.)

A lot of the stuff that felt hard to react to before felt easier to react to. Specifically, the small laser guys in Level 1. I don't know if I got better or if you touched those up, but I enjoyed my session more this time around. I also really appreciated the ship outline and hitbox options. Still love the aesthetic. Love the title itself and the cover art with the ship.

Not spawning power-ups during boss fights seems a little cruel, but if you want to punish those deaths hard that's fair.

Love the aesthetic and art.

The controls feel a bit stiff in a few places though.

It seems like you can't crouch if you have even a bit of momentum, which makes doing slide attacks harder than it should be. From other metroidvanias I'm used to being able to jump out of the backdash, so that would be nice. Maybe even crouch, although that would be a very strong option. Otherwise, it seems hard to do minor spacing-adjustments, the backdash throws you super far back.

I also don't see the point of the third slash in the basic combo. It seems better in every situation to do a low attack instead, because of the significantly lower recovery time and only slightly lower damage. Maybe the third attack is a noob-trap or punishment for messing up the combo?

Absolutely looking forward to seeing more progress.

Cute, juicy, fun, and manic in a good way and a bad way.

It feels a little unfair when the green guys hit you when you're both on the ground, right when their hitbox becomes active. Maybe they could have more startup, or a more obvious startup? Maybe I'm not supposed to let them get that close? And it's often hard to see enemy projectiles/attacks amongst all the chaos. I think a more unified, "enemy attack" color could go a long way for making getting hit feel more fair.

That being said, this feels like a game that just needs content, the polish is all there.

As Sinoc said, there's nothing special here yet. I play a bunch of Stepmania and IIDX and there's no gimmick or feature that would make me choose to play this. Also, you might want to make the good/great text be different colors or something, it was kind of hard to tell which I was getting while still focusing on the game.

Pretty much just going to agree with everything the previous people said, I like the art, animation, and love the music in the second level. I think some hitstop and a bassier hit sound effect could go a HUGE way to make hitting stuff feel more satisfying. Also, in this area, ( It was hard to see the skeleton. The tree and the skelly have the same color, kind of making him blend in.

Please leave feedback! Any constructive criticism is welcome.