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We do not use the powerbob extension in any of our game! If you can you find your "digital signature" you talking about in any of our game then name it?  (we will remove it as soon as we can!)

 i asked multiple times but you never answered: I still do not know wich version fo the plugins are you want to sell at the moment? Do you have an up to date version or is it the cracked one i have to pay for?

for selling your plugin in a correct way it would be more professional to do it in some marketplace. like here on itch.  not on email. it is easier to follow who buyed what product, when and under what rule (if rules changed ower time).

I am not considering it "abandonware" . At least not anymore!
3 month ago (please read the thread below) I ASKED YOU that specific question:
"Does that mean that we are allowed to use any of your (AMOS) plugins or just this one in question?"

YOUR answer was:
"Yes, ANY of my extensions for Amos and or Amos Pro as long as you or any other user has my consent.
- The cracked  Amos/Pro_TURBO_PLUS 2.15 or any other version and PowerBobs (any version) automagically becomes legal when my consent is given and my 3 simple rules are followed."

We agreed and followed the (3) rules you set us! After the agreement I do not have to care about wich version of (any of) the plugin(s) i use.  You are playing a dirty game here by allowing  and withdraw your consent that happened months ago.  This leads to nowhere!
We will not use any your (cracked or not) plugin in the future but the one already built in (two projects) it stay as it is! (as we agreed.)

It would be good to know: I still do not know wich version fo the plugins are you want to sell at the moment? Do you have an up to date version? (Pro_TURBO_PLUS 2.2 or something? ..or is it the cracked one i have to pay for?)

“PowerBobs is protected by European copyright and GDPR laws and regulations.”

Like any written or oral agreement. Not only did you agree, but you were the one who offered us the freedom to use the plugin in our projects. Chronologically, at the moment our application was uploaded, the public agreement still existed.

In this interpretation, you are the one who created the situation by breaking the agreement. It is more like a scamming behaviour! Probably every lawyer and court in existence will see this.

According to this, you have no legal basis to make a claim for the very same reason why you can't take back a car you sell for the money you give to a homeless person.. Please stick to the agreement!

in short term: You cannot ask for something back that you have already given away.

Hi,

If anyone wants to buy your currently for sale product, it would be good to know:

- Which version of the plugin is this? The old/original/broken one? (You couldn't show this before.) A newer one? (The original one had a few "bugs")

From our perspective:

-We've been clearing this up for a while now! We made an agreement (which can be followed here on this thread).

-We stuck to the agreement that under the three-point conditions YOU set (which we met and fulfilled), we could freely use the plugins you made (even the cracked/pirated versions, since these were the only ones "available" az that moment). Although we offered to pay for the plugin at the time, you couldn't show us "your own version" and you offered it for free (with "the three rules"). You gave us your approval to use it!

- After the software has been released (free) and already contains the (compiled) plugin you can not change your mind back in time.

Our problem is mostly not with the interpretation of the situation, but rather with the management of the situation, transparency and respect for the (our previous) agreement.

By understanding that (now) you changed our agreement, we can take the following solutions:

- In the future, we will no longer use your plugin in any form in our subsequent possible new applications.

- Since the applications we create and distribute do not contain your plugin (only in compiled form as you requested), we will not delete/change or remove the applicatoon and/or references in the freely available source code. This is our own intellectual property, and no other party has and cannot have a say in this. The source code and application that we (ElectricBlackSheep) have made freely available, downloadable and usable, will not be withdrawn.

I wish you all the best and good luck: EBS

Does that mean that our previous agreement are seazed and you are witdraw your previous consent to freely use these plugins?

the link for the tool is in the previous post!

it's not a player only. there is a program called 'reducer'. that is the tool that allows you to  make  such large anims. basicly it works like a video codec where you can 'compress' a video from a sequence of individual  images. the tool merges them into one iff-anim file.

Hi,

Yes, the anims are too big to store in memory, that is why it is streamed from HDD. (On the positive side the anim doesn't eat up all of your RAM.) 
The AMOS code is done by Sövény Imre. You can ask him any question, I am sure he will answer. 
The tool is also available on our Itch site: https://electricblacksheep.itch.io/amos-anim-player
There is a ("how to") video on our channel:

If you want to contact us there is an email address we can communicate: electricblacksheepsoftwares@gmail.com

Thank You!

We're very-very happy tobhear! :)

Hi,

Thank you  for the kind words!  :) 

Unfortunately there are some issue with the 3rd joystick button (map) on OS3.2 (and kick-rom). For that to solve there is a separate executable "ProjectHorizonOS32" next the original.

I noticed that you use a joystick that has a rapir fire function. If you switch that off (if possible) you can hold your character in one place while fireing.

There is also a joy + mouse-aim option i encourage you to try.

Thanks again! We're glad you like it and thanks for all the things you do for the Amiga Community!

From the menu if you hit fire button the game will start.

You don't "MUST" to give a pass-code. If you do not have one the game will start at the last available/played level (level 1 by default).

About the "blank screen":

It usually comes when you (in case of OS3.2) start the game with the "ProjectHorizon" executable and not with the "ProjectHorizonOS32" executable.

It is becose for some reason (completely beyond our control) OS3.2+KickRom produces a continuous input button signal as if a CD32 controllers third (yellow) button was triggered continuously. The blank screen comes when the game (level) starts and at the same moment tries to show/hide the map (that is what the third button do), but it can't becouse the button leading it to an endless cycle.

The support for CD32 controller was a feature asked by the community. There is no possible way to detect if there is such a controller present or not (to solve the issue inside the game).

The solution should be: As i described before, please start the game with the "ProjectHorizonOS32" executable. And (in case the game has its own partition) modify the starup sequence if necessery .

No other modification is necessery!

Thanks!
It was (for a game from 1984) a unique game in many ways. Some aspects more tactical than a simple shooter. You have to know what you shoot, wich order, not everithing can be shoot or not always damagable or only from certain direction(s)...

I assume (in the second level) you shoot the mines from the wrong direction. The enemy types are listed in the game! :)
Good Luck!

I don't know either, but they definitely have the sources. :)
Our "Bad Apple" demo also somehow made it onto Coffin OS and i see somewhere that StarDustWarsDC is on the "Amiga Game Selector".These things will find their way sooner or later...

I've checked the uploaded content and i can't find or reproduce the issue.

If you copy the HDD version to your Hard-drive that should be enough.
if it is a separate partition then the game will start based on the startup sequence. In  case of OS3.2 you should run the game with the "ProjectHorizonOS32" executable. (there is an issue with it regarding the CD32 controller). In that case you should modify the startup sequence by renaming the executable to "ProjectHorizonOS32"
If you copy the game to a simple folder you can start the game with the same aproach. 
normally with: "ProjectHorizon" executable.
in case of OS3.2: "ProjectHorizonOS32" executable.
the "ProjectHorizonAros" version is only for the standalone windows version. There is also a kick-rom issue that using free AROS rom.
The zip file "ProjectHorizon_Fix" is only for that people who do not want to download the whole 100mb again and again for fixing a previous issue in the game. If you use the larger file(s) first you don't need this (it is allready contains the latest fix/executables).

The only way that i can think of when the game ask you for disks is that you maybe copy some files from the floppy version or start the game from the adf. 

Unfortunately the game runs in an emulated environment that was Originally made for Commodore Amiga.

For a standalone version that can run directly on a Windows-Pc we use Winfellow with AROS-Rom. Aros-rom is not our product (nor  Winfellow). It is in continuous developement. It is free alternative for an Original Amiga Kick-Rom (wich is still copyrighted material). While it is under developement it is still a little bugy (or better to say act a bit differently as the Original Rom). We can't use copyrighted materials nor have we any influence fixing the AROS-rom (i bet they do their best to make it the best possible way). 

We're trying to fix some things from our side but unfortunately (for the reasons above) It is not entirely possible. :S

All Levels are reported playable trough the end!

The game was tested on multiple real amigas and emulators. It is not tested on "theA500 mini", but since it is an amiga emulator itself i assume that the lha or any other versions should work on it (actually they are all the same version). 

As the description says above, there is no music (nor intro) in the adf version. 
- The music is streamed from hdd, so too large and slow for floppy. 
- There will be a simplyfied version of the intro soon (Image sequence).

Hi,

It should be fixed by now.

The problem was/is that the map switch is connected to the third button of the CD32 controller. It is an OS issue. For some reason OS3.2 +kickrom produces a continuous input signal for that button by default, and that is what not allowing the stage to appear (basicly there is a rapid-fire triggering the map On and Off).

There are two solutions:

- There should be a "ProjectHorizonOS32" executable in the compressed files. You start the game with that and it should be ok. In this case you cannot use the CD32 controller (only without the yellow map button).

- If you run an AmiNet JoyTest. This will disable and "reset" the third joystick (continuous input signal) button error after use. 

For the sake of simplicity I suggest the first point.

I'm glad that we could settle this issue! Thank You!

• The next publicly available version will contain your credit.
• Does that mean that we are allowed to use any of your (AMOS) plugins or just this one in question? (with the 3 rules you asked of course)
• We (possibly others as well) are still interested in a legal version. Is it available?

Again: Sorry for the complications!

Best regards: EBS

Understandable!

There is also writing in the same document that "I'm planning to release TURBO Plus in the PUBLIC DOMAIN.."

Ok I understand that planning is not the same as really doing it, but it can lead to misunderstandings like this. I do not even know who is writing it (you or the "traitor" you mentioned). There is so many versions. I don't want to go in that direction.

again: the misuse of this plugin was not intentional. I want to use it legally, but here we are and i still don't know how can i have your product using legally! Can you offer a solution?

You are the man behind the product!

- I possible please give your consent to use the plugin.

- If it is purchaseable in any way or form please give me the direction.

- ..other solution?

Hi,

First I want to apologize and sorry to get you into this situation! I can assure you that the misuse of your library was not intencional.

I called it a "claim" becouse i have to look up for some information (not about the rightfulness of your plugin, but the time-dates on our side, how things lead to this point). I could have called it "infringement" but this was the wording that is usually used (not to degrading the meaning of it) and the download has been removed as you asked. It took me a while to gather my thoughts on the matter.

to clarify:

- We was not aware that this is a cracked version we use. The plugin was (still available) on multiple sites available. There is no label on it that it is a "cracked version". This is not an excuse, just the unfortunate fact of the situation.

- The version in question is (as i see correctly) from 1996. In the files containing your product there was only a street address (of course there was no email then). We started our game project somewhere in 2019 (7 years ago). At the time we start to use your plugin our coder tried to reach and contact you trough the internet. As i remember there was no answer for the letter we write to the address we found then. From that point we don't take into consideration to write a  physical mail to a much older address.

- I don't want to deflect responsibility here either, but, as things runs for the Amiga (and with retro-community in general) today we can't track every softwares legality. Yes there are a lot of piracy. Literally everyone who are downloading software (of 30 years old utils and  games especially) are considered as "pirate" in that sense. There are no stores sellig those products anymore.

- We do not encourage or support anyone to commit any illegal activity (software piracy). Please note that our Amiga games do not force anyone to pay for our products, and never was a "price". Donations are optional.

I can understand what it means to working on something and put a hell lot of time in it, we do the same. You've made a good plugin. We all thank you for that. It is hard to track a software so old, it is easy to lost controll over them.

To solve the situation in good faith:

How and where can we buy or "licence" your product legally? There is no information or store we can find it anywhere with your plugin! I see that you have an ITCH account as well but the plugin is not listed under your name.

Best regards: EBS

The bug has been identified! The help is on the way! :)
For some reason 3.2kick+os automatically and continuously triggers the same input signal of a CD32 controllers yellow button, even if you do not have one.

It is an unfortunate OS Vs CD32-gamepad issue, but there will be a fix soon.

Warning! 

If you download the game, please note that the game is currently only playable up to the first 5 levels until further bugs are fixed. We are working on a solution,

sorry for the inconvenience.

Warning! If you download the game, please note that the game is currently only playable up to the first 5 levels until further bugs are fixed. We are working on a solution, sorry for the inconvenience.

We had some similar issues with custom kick-roms. What rom do you use?

Did you destroyed all the cloning orbs in the previous island? The map marks it as red dots.

"The Eagle has landed."

"The Eagle has landed."

Project Horizon has been in development for several years now. While we didn't anticipate such a long journey—and life often threw unexpected challenges our way—we never lost sight of the goal. I am thrilled to announce that the wait is finally over. The game is currently in its final testing phase, and the full version will be available for download within the coming days.

Hi!
I was compensated after 5months and get into a lot of trouble for it here becouse of the the unresponsiveness of itch's official support.
I'm just gathering information on what could be the reason for the delay. Did you also use the "other" payment method? (they said that was the reason in my case)

Hi!
I was compensated after 5months and get into a lot of trouble for it here becouse of the the unresponsiveness of itch's official support.
I'm just gathering information on what could be the reason for the delay. Did you also use the "other" payment method? (they said that was the reason in my case)

Sorry to hear! The official customer service is terrible. If you read my previous post, you will realize what kind of advice or help you can get here in the community (unfortunately).

If the information provided is true (which is what they wrote to me), then choosing the "other" option when initiating the payment may have something to do with the delay, but it still doesn't answer the "no response" from customer service. If true, then (in my case at least) it means that after 5 months you will be processed too.

The advice here is:
- check your tax information (you probably already checked it)
- try to contact a moderator, they can forward your ticket number to some admin(s), maybe this can affect your situation.

a personal advice:
- in the future (if possible) use "Direct To You" payment. You will get evry payment individually but at least at the moment when the customer send you the money. (It is still not helps with the unpayed money gathered before that.)
- If for any reason your situation gets resolved (support responds or payment arrives), please let us know here on the forum (if it hasn't been closed yet) because there is absolutely no official information about when and how these delays are usually resolved. ...and maybe if more people write here with the same problem, there is a chance that the "message" will reach the right people who have real influence on resolving these (although not very common) but recurring problems.

It would be great if we could automatically play some kind of sound in the background of our pages. I think that would add a lot to the atmosphere.

- upload mp3, ogg,.. to the site
- or use soundcloud or similar 
(iframe or embed does not play autoplay)

and it probably needs a button in one of the corners so you can turn it off if it bothers you.

At the moment i can do it when i upload a html game to the same page and play it there, but that messes up the statistic of a game that is made for a different (OS)platform.

and a technical issue: It's very hard to distiquish and follow who is answering to what post. There should be some other indentation formatting (but i am not an expert).

You again! My other topic question was resolved (for some reason) not this! I am not the only one with "confusion".. :)

Yes! And  the other problem is the complete lack of OFFICIAL SUPPORT for 5months and let things "escalate" where a single line in an email can solve all this!

Yes the site should note near the option "OTHER" in the payment processing! Something like "DON'T BE SUPRIZED!  IT WOULD TAKE  A HELL LOT OF TIME!".
Otherwise people are left in the dark. 

It was linked to my topic as "record". If somehow i were responsible to what some other user sad on an other topic! 

Please (redonihunter) don't handle people like that. Using words like "cleanup" in that sentence.. I hope that this is not mocking! That brings the conversation to a bad direction .

Please (redonihunter) don't bring up the payout again! You are the one dragging this into that topic/conversation and not me.
 I was constantly warned about not to be involved in a lot of topics at the same time, yet you are the one dragging this into it.

The question was for "No TimeTo Play". Please (redonihunter) Don't escalate the situation by forcing it into longer conversation (with you too). I don't think there should be two moderators in this situation. (Juts an opinion.) Are you a moderator by the way? (You don't have to answer ) You seemingly popping up in a lot of  my topics but i don't see any tag on your name. Thank you for being so helpful. You're trying to solve it, but you don't have to!

I understood that the conversation between us had taken a very unfortunate direction from the very beginning! Please calm down, nothing i've said was directed as a harassment. I'm just trying (despite the language barrier) to express what I want to say as precisely and directly as possible.
I've addressed the question to you only because you are a moderator (the one posted there and closed the topic) and not because i want to harass you or anybody in any way! I've already said  "sorry" and the use word "please"!  

Yes, I see that the conversation can't go further with you. I don't even wanted to in the first place (or start a new topic again). I should have posted that  to that other topic but that was closed.
Off course you can close a topic, but please don't quote others in bullet points without making it clear that you're not referring to me. It's misleading to me and others a well. You are right about the confusion! And things like that cousing it too. I am even on you side with this one.  I just want to be clear just as you do. No hard feelings! 

Again: Sorry! It's not meant to  be harrastment (it never was)! I'm not blaming you personally! You are the one who are poping up by answering questions (and that is good) but please don't take it on yourself if/when the conversation continues and addressed with you directly becouse of that!  I had/have isues with how you (moderators in general) handeling things. It is understandable from your perspective.  It is not "personal" from my side! At least you try! 
I've even defend you multiple times by saying that support handeling: "should happen on the official channel", becouse a customer should be (that is the general expectation)handeled  with a different approach as "moderating" by a volunteer admin. If there's anyone to blame, it's the official support team!

I stand by what I said here on the forum, I'll take responsibility for that if necessary, but not for other people's comments or posts.
Best rregards: EBS

The post you linked there is NOT my post!
Why is it "harassment" to clearify that from my side?

And sorry I forgot to add your  name! It is addressed to  NO TIME TO PLAY! :)

I don't want to start a new topic, but if you close the other of my topic (https://itch.io/t/5803438/what-questions-can-we-ask-here-in-the-support-section) with an accusation against me doesn't look fair!

Your last post before close the topic: 
https://itch.io/post/15335386

"I'll lock this topic now that the situation was resolved."
Resolved on both side. OK! 

"moderation reports go to me; doesn't mean I won't notify an admin about them"
Please clearify who was that? Posting it on the topic just like that (as last post) , not doing it as a "reply" and with that doesn't define the person in question makes thingst look it is me who you addressing it.

"I can't change the ownership of a post; no idea what this is all about"
I had never made such claim! 

"continuing to talk about me behind my back after blocking me so I can't reply is harassment"
I have  never talked behind your back! I can't, this is an open forum as i know. You closed that forum and You are the one who made the last! Clearly you were not "blocked"! I don't even know that it can happen with an admin!

"Hope this helps."
No it does not! As i mentioned you and moderators on itch in general i know that handling support related issues should not be handled by you. I understand that you are volunteers and your "job" (one e of them) is to get rid of the unruly ones. Naming this community category as "support" and by that attract peoples with support issues is a problem generated by itch themself. Itch is deliberately bringing people to you so that you can arrange and forward the tickets (without answering them for months). And you (moderators) handle (maybe "regulate" is the right word) the situation (and the people who are rightfully disappointed) as a moderator. That can only lead escalation! You can "try" but you don't have the necessery toolset to realy help with that. This handeling "should happen" on the official channel, but again there was no such handeling for 156 days in my case. Handeling the situation in the wrong place with the wrong tools in that timeframe is a huge mistake on Itchs side. (But that is jus my opinion!)

You can close this topic too (its your right to do), but please correct this "error" in the other topic in question first!