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You're looking for the bonus stage, not the secret stage

There's a reason that nobody uses crypto for actual payments.

"stablecoins" are a joke with no purpose other than to pretend crypto is anything other than an even shittier version of a casino.

He's bankrupted three casinos, has been disastrous for the economy, and this bill has nothing to do with economics or business.

So the problem here is that you've missed key things that aren't in the post.

Sec. 3. Definitions. (a) The term “politicized or unlawful debanking” refers to an act by a bank, savings association, credit union, or other financial services provider to directly or indirectly adversely restrict access to, or adversely modify the conditions of, accounts, loans, or other banking products or financial services of any customer or potential customer on the basis of the customer’s or potential customer’s political or religious beliefs, or on the basis of the customer’s or potential customer’s lawful business activities that the financial service provider disagrees with or disfavors for political reasons.

Herein lies the problem. "Political or religious beliefs" would not include hosting, purchasing, or selling nsfw stuff It can be your political belief you should be allowed to, but there's a key distinction between that and hosting it. It might be litigated that that constitutes practice of religion, but they'll lose in SCOTUS (if not beforehand) on first amendment grounds - specifically freedom of religion, allowing processors to refuse to handle transactions that violate their religion. 

Companies are also not forced to actually disclose why they're refusing to work with anyone. They could simply not work with anyone that hosts NSFW content. And even if we know that's exactly why they're doing it, it won't matter.

Not to mention that other court cases have actually legislated in favor of discrimination on 1st amendment grounds - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colorado_Civil_Rights_Comm...

I don't mean this in a harsh way, but you genuinely do not know what you're talking about.

You're welcome to provide any proof that itch was lying, though.

Also, the point of these puritanical cults has literally always been the eradication of queer people. It's why these same cults try to push the idea that being queer is inherently sexual.

Getting the pizza in the parlor/bar area by yourself as Wires seems to softlock the game when "Good argument" appears.

Why are you focusing your anger at the victim of the cult instead of the cult itself?

The execs of those companies are in puritanical cults like collective shout.

Bad faith nonsense from someone who pretends white genocide, a neonazi conspiracy theory, exists. Go away.

Bad faith nonsense from someone who pretends white genocide, a neonazi conspiracy theory, exists. Go away.

Mkay yeah we're done here. Not gonna keep arguing with someone spewing racist conspiracy theories

Fine, go ahead. List how they could actually fight.

Please, elaborate, o wise one, as to how they would not just instantly be fucked over, along with ALL creators on the platform, sfw and nsfw, if they told the payment processors (i.e. how payments are actually made on the platform) to fuck off.

Itch ain't got the funds to last for months while looking for a new processor with zero income.

You're thinking about a different incident, presumably.

1 is nonsense, they had to remove it on the spot and nobody was "told" about it because people instantly noticed.

2 is literally shit the processors have pushed. They don't care about removing porn, they care about eradicating queer people.

3.1 is objectively true

3.2 is not quite as true but isn't something you state outright until you actually have something lined up.

Keep in mind that with literally all of this they have to balance out the fact that the processors may lash out at literally anything they think itch does wrong.

Wild take in response to "The owner of twitter deliberately made its bot praise hitler and spout racist conspiracy theories, which is someone everyone fucking saw and only someone engaging in bad faith would deny that" but okay.

Also pretty wild that you're derailing the conversation like this. You on mastercard's payroll or something?

The businesses are run by the cults.

You can't get rid of cults fully usually, but you can get people out of them and generally weaken their influence

Cool enough then. Hopefully they do find something that works better 

Most of that is run quietly enough to not be noticed (and when it is, it gets fucked up hard - remember how OF tried to claim they weren't a sex site?) Or is funded run through alternative means (predominantly shadier ads, which nowhere near enough to actually pay devs).

If you happen to know of other payment processors that would actually work though, feel free to suggest them. I'd be happy to push for wider use for them.

I'm speaking as someone who understands the absolute fucking basics of economics.

A site with zero money (which is what would happen if they could not get paid by any means, which is what would happen with zero payment processors working with them) cannot operate. Because site operations takes money.

"Accept crypto and donations" is flat out not a real solution whatsoever. I've explained why before, but to summarize: Donations cannot pay game developers as much as they've legally earned, and crypto has never been viable as an actual currency for normal transactions - outside of one (1) singular pizza over a decade ago, it's still only used for buying illegal shit (which is still the overwhelming minority of its use) and gambling.

Also "every negative comment" is like. Just threads started by two people.

Are you literally on that cult's payroll or something?

Can't imagine why else you'd be trying to redirect anger towards itch instead of the cults actually causing this

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/may/14/elon-musk-grok-white-genocide

Coo. Entire site's gone forever then.

Wonderful, brilliant plan.

Now, instead of wasting your anger demanding nonsense, focus that anger on the cultists who are pushing this bullshit, not the cult's victims.

There's extremely few payment processors and they're all run by members of puritanical cults. Or just actual fascists who are using this to attack queer people (There's a reason that far right groups have been painting queer shit as explicit!)

"Find another payment processor" is just flat out not an option

Okay but you are not worth hundreds of billions. And neither is Itch.

Focus your anger toward the puritanical cults.

....The claims of white genocide? The literal praising of hitler?

It's the payment processors here, not the banks, but yeah.

Payment processors should only be able to deny transactions if a) they have legitimate reason to suspect fraud, b) you don't have enough money, or c) the transaction literally cannot be completed because important information is missing.

That precedent kinda already existed. It already happened to a much larger degree with Tumblr and even fucking OnlyFans - a site whose sole purpose is sexual content.

Leave itch if you want, since I won't blame you for this leaving a fairly nasty taste in your mouth, but the same problem of payment processors getting to suppress whatever they don't like will keep occurring elsewhere until something is actually done about it. And companies ain't gonna do that, because they either can't afford it or just have no interest in dealing with it.

Itch caved because it was either cave or the site dies.

Point your anger at the puritanical cults and the billionaires that are in them.

Notably, Twitter is still hemorrhaging money and is kept up solely because he's using it as a way to push actual nazi propaganda.

Probably not a good comparison there.

Crypto is also an objectively terrible option regardless. There's a reason that nearly all of its use is just for gambling.

Other forms of retaliation exist.

"You do X, we shut it all down. You don't do Y, we shut it all down"

You are suggesting something along the lines of "Power went out? Make your own power grid that supplies your entire region!"

This is not a feasible solution for basically anybody.

Of literally every entity affected by this, to date, literally only Valve could maybe pull it off. Because it takes a fuckton of money, time (time you're making zero profits during), and getting a lot of banks to cooperate with you (which also takes a fuckton of the money you're rapidly losing).

Which law, precisely, are you referring to? What jurisdiction?

It was throw one group under the bus or throw them all under it, because Itch has literally zero power here.

We cannot rely on companies or capitalism to fix this. This is something the people need to fix.

Billionaires should not get to decide our lives.

Valve does. Itch and gog don't really have that much in terms of liquid assets.

Also keep in mind that they literally cannot pay developers if the processors shut them off.

There's no legal threat here. It's literally just an ultimatum. "Do this or we shut off your money".

There's nothing they can fight against, because there's no laws saying payment processors have to work with them.

"Do you know of any businesses which has actually been blocked by VISA/MasterCard over this?"

Do you know of any people who didn't hand over their wallet when someone held a gun to their head?

The payment processors hold a disgusting amount of power here, and most of their targets are far too small to fight back.

We can't rely on companies or websites to fix this shit because they'll be shut down as soon as they try. This is something the people need to fix.

Valve couldn't fight back because of the exact games being targeted on Steam - they were nsfw games with very specific themes. Fighting that would have been social suicide, which the payment processors (And the cults that own them) knew, which is why that one was much more targeted.

Valve might be able to fight back against a total nsfw ban. But we shouldn't rely on that, because they might just look out for their own bottom lines instead.

People need to fight back against puritanical cults and force the government to hold billionaires accountable. We can't expect capitalism to fix anything, only be happy when it sometimes does.

"Downscale the site" means kicking a lot more games off than just the ones they did.

And a site cannot be run through donations alone. Nor can gamedevs be paid through donations alone.

Itch fights it. The site is completely gone within a month because they can't afford upkeep because zero payments are allowed.

Genuinely begging people to focus their anger on the puritanical cults 

Itch literally had to do this or the entire site was gone.