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Because of the sudden critique influx I'd like to give my opinion as both an author and someone who has struggled with attempts and suicidal ideation since I was 10 years old. 


Personally I think it's a dangerous path to start spearheading this idea that suicide can only be used in a specific, serious, moral, or otherwise deeply just way in fiction. Even in real life suicide does not present in one way. It does not happen for one specific reason.The happiest person you know could be suicidal, the most depressed could be, the most awful morally fucked dude, your cousin Frank who has a wife and kids and corporate job, your neighbor down the street with the big house, even young children can be suicidal. And each of them have their own reasons for feeling that way. Some which you would never even realize were feeling that way. Suicide does not have a symptoms guide.


I just think it's cruel to call suicide of any kind in fiction wrong, as it implies there's a correct and incorrect way to be suicidal in the first place.


I do think some of you have points beyond that though; the warnings should have been in a more obvious spot from the start, and using a character's death to get interaction is not the most well thought out course of action. Though from the very bottom of my heart I don't think Jenny did that with the intention to hurt or profit from suicide, only to grow her game.


Just my two cents.

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??? Why does it say your comment was posted 6 days ago, yet it's near the top?


To the point, people can write whatever they want, however they want. To a not so insigificant number of people, however, this game's use and representation of suicide, alongside the other oddities (namely the review thing), was especially nauseating to experience. I could see if there had only been one or two people in the comments claiming it wasn't written well, but people both suicidal themselves and those who have lost friends/loved ones to suicide have all largely espoused the same concerns and criticisms. Whatever her intentions, the author DID hurt people by not putting more thought, care, and even warnings into the game.

Topics like suicide, especially when the majority of your fanbase is so very obviously young, should absolutely be treated with care and respect. Mental health struggles are stigmatized and misunderstood too much as is to let writers utilize it however their awful plots please. There's not an "incorrect way to be suicidal" but the wrong application in any writing can be both incredibly insulting and upsetting to those who have actually suffered through it as well as furthering people's warped view of what they are going through.

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Okay so, I had to literally physically go away and think before I came up with an answer because the leap in logic here is insane. 


Yes, actually. There is right and wrong ways to potray mental illness. Shocking, I know. This comment comes off as very tone deaf for someone who seemed to struggle with ideations for a long time. I'm not saying you don't feel that way, I just find it weird that your implying we should let people demonize and streotype stuff we've been trying to get away from for a long time and its actually especially harmful and damaging for you to say that and excuse shitty writing for a game. This is like saying Split is an accurate representation of DID and yes guys! we should let a person with no experience with DID and doesn't have it demonize said illness and actually misconstrude it and use it for shock value, this isn't harmful at ALL to people with DID and letting them get help! you see the issue? Use this with any mental illness and this is actually a very harmful mentality to have. Her behavior only proves this point because all shes done with the suicide and murder endings is laugh at her audience and mock them for being unable to save him. "Better give me 5k reviews or poor, sweet Zilas is gone forever." and use suicide and murder as shock value and a thing to hold over someones head rather then to educate and show how suicide effects people which she fails at miserably. What your failing to realize is that, yes, while this may be entirely possible this happens irl, fiction does not equal reality and fiction is its entirely own thing and implying that it has to represent irl issues you experienced is harmful. Not everyone has the same experience as you and saying this is a realistic potrayal to you boogles my mind.


In conclusion, its actually a lot more harmful to spearhead the idea that mental illness can't be done wrong and let poor writing through the cracks is a very fucking awful thought process as it perpetuates the idea that we shouldn't hold writers accountable for doing poor research and let them get away with continuing to do streotypes we've been trying to get away from for years. While you may not take offense to it, other people do and we can actually differeniate fiction from reality. Not even sure why I'm arguing with a pfpless person on itch tho, you guys never have good points and are probably just Jenny on an alt and will never respond to my counterpoint. Very sad.

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I suspect it's the dev just doing damage control at this point, just like removing the ability to downvote. A comment from 7 days ago, and from an account made only a day prior, just shoots to the top of the page. It even already had upvotes with it when it popped up. It's just more transparent manipulation on top of all the rest.

For what it's worth, I agree with your points. Damaging and stereotyped portrayals of mental illness are unfortunately too common in media - horror especially. Really hoped I'd never see it in Otome though...

Hope you're doing well.

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I fully agree.and thank you, you have backed me up on a lot of points and stuck with me through some of these arguments so make sure to take good care of yourself as well. Very sad Jenny is deciding to go about it in this way, unfortunately.