Cool I am glad you replied at all so thanks. The first part makes perfect sense it follows the general formula of how graphics tend to be displayed and all that so yh I was looking to get into 3-D math. The whole point of doing something like is that special do it yourself feel so I don't want any hand outs. I'll just study algebra and try to make something happen if you have any non specific pointers on what else to study that would be great thanks