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>About being a top, I don't know how he treats you,
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I can tell you the answer to this one: He's basically a total jerk to you regardless, haha.  He is indeed serious when work is going on, but even then he will stop and drop a jerk statement about what you should be doing, or a jerky-lewd statement about what you should be doing to him.

Now if he didn't then do his job, he'd also be incompetent and Gunnar isn't meant to be incompetent haha, he's a talented guard with some shifty connections.  But that is a different story, and he certainly doesn't start a relationship with you and then start treating you harshly because he thinks you might like it (That would be fine).  He opens by treating you very harshly, if you like it then hey that's cool for you.

Then I feel you're not quite being fair to Logan with your statements here!

>There are a lot of way of being abusive and one of those ways it's how little he opens himself to you<

I mean that stands to reason - you're not /in a relationship/ when that is happening!  In fact this involves him expressly noting that you /shouldn't/ try to get to know him better.

> He is a mess who's trying to get in a relationship with you<

No, he definitely is /not/ this.  He goes out of his way to /not/ get in a relationship with you, to try to stick to himself, to shut the player out, even to the point of injuring himself.  The first time he really opens up is when he transforms for the first time and is absolutely terrified about being alone - if you stick with him there you can note him still being hesitant and still being 'why would you /do/ that I'm not a good person'.

He is absolutely not /trying/ to get into a relationship with you, even when he begins to have feelings for you due to your being quite selfless towards him.  Heck, the whole focus of the 'I'll get you a beer' scene is that he presumes you don't want a /relationship/ with him and just want to have sex with him due to his muscles, so he's trying to get drunk enough to give you what you're owed without feeling too raw about it.   

Him trying to have a proper relationship with you is extremely new to him, and he's /much/ more mellow about it now once he begins actually returning your affection.  Even there he constantly compares himself to the he-thinks-better-fit-for-you Bernard, haha.

If you go after Bernard first, when you tell Logan that you did that Logan is completely understanding, 'Yeah, that was the right move'.

When you go after Logan first, he is astonished, "Wha?! Why didn't you go after Bernard?  Why would you go after /me/ first?"

>when he starts opening himself up for you, I got confused on what were his intentions: he was kissing me because he liked me or because he thought that was what I wanted?<

Oh this is pretty clear too - he cannot fathom anyone /wanting/ to be in a relationship with him, haha, but you are extremely nice to him and quite selfless at that point.  Really, that's the crux of the 'I owe you a beer' scene - him assuming that the only reason you could be there for him is because you like how he looks.

Which is also a big part of why, if you take that offer and thus confirm his expectations, it hurts him /so much/.  And at that point if you refuse, that's the second time he really opens up to you, really makes himself emotionally vulnerable to you.  And also marks a big change in his demeanor towards you, since that's when you actually start 'okay this is sort of a relationship' and he starts being at least a bit more hospitable.

Gunnar is much more of the abusive partner (Gunnar pretty constantly makes demands of you whether you pursue him or not.  This is then completely fine if that's your thing, mind you, but is much less fine if it isn't haha).  I am happy with the limited 'not tremendously negative' interactions with him that happen sometimes, though!

Logan isn't really searching for a relationship with you (or anyone at the moment, he got burned) and is constantly surprised by your actions towards him, and only starts to really like you when he notes how often you jump in to help him even though (as he often notes) it's stupid to do so since he's not a good person.

...Well, before now haha.  If you do have three hearts with him, then /now/ he /is/ trying to be in a relationship with you, and I imagine at least part of it will become pretty rocky since Logan is pretty messed up of an individual.  If nothing else, I'm sure he's thinking about his previous relationship every time he does things in this one.  So we can see for the future, haha.

I'm glad to have helped Logan get more comfortable with being a werewolf, too.

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You made some fair point here and there and really change some of my perspective with him.


As I said in other comments I didn't made his new event yet so I don't know how things develop from now on. 


I feel bad for all the shitty things he passed through since Selena, but it's unfair how he dump it on the others around him.


Here and there, hopefully the MC will help to heal his traumas and become better.


(About Gunnar, I can't defend myself. He's just so awesome that I can't really criticize [Even though he is probably the toxiciest NPC on the whole game, but I'll turn a blind eye for him])

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I definitely agree haha, Logan definitely is unfair with his reactions to everyone haha.  Like really, whether or not he has a reason for it, Logan is a /jerk/.  My one complaint is that I don't feel 'abusive' is accurate... but I mean, jerk is absolutely accurate. :P

Also, you don't have to defend yourself about Gunnar either!  Honestly haha, it's totally cool that you like him and are having a blast with him. :D 

This game is awesome and is, among other things, a safe place to enjoy yourself, haha.  If you feel strongly about a character, either positively or negatively, that is a good thing!  Means Hyao is a good writer!  

I personally was pretty happy when I could at /least/ sit down to play cards with Gunnar and other guards with him acting civil in front of his peers.  Baby steps!

And I wouldn't have it any other way - Gunnar is acting according to his personality for both of us. ^_^

We can have 3 Hearts with Logan? I only got him to 2, where did I miss one? 

Other than that, this is a pretty good summary of grumpy Logan. Hard shell and soft heart.