It's not this serious. Both sides have said their piece. Lunar, I respect your opinion AND Runey's, however, no one is perfect. If this is Runey's first game, it's a hell of a start. If it isn't, there's still places to go. Neither of you are better than each other. Look everybody involved here is mature myself included and everyone else in this thread. But no offense Lunar, there's more to life than this game. I understand your criticisms and I understand Runey's defense of the game and story, but critiquing somebody for the way they critique your criticism, if that makes sense, isn't the way to go about it. Regardless how everyone here feels we can at least agree that the basis of the game itself is good. If you like the game that's fine if you like the story that's fine. At the bare minimum please at least respect what is trying to be done and the least you can do is tolerate the direction the story is going. Matter of fact, you don't even have to do that. It's great that you're sharing your opinion and as earlier stated both sides of this argument have been voiced I'm not trying to make myself up here more important or knowledgeable in this topic because I guarantee I'm not and I'm not taking anybody's side. I'm just simply saying whether you're for or against the storyline or theme or whatever, at least appreciate the basis of the game. If you're just here for the sex that's fine. If you're not that's cool too. I'm not trying to draw ira from anybody and I have respect for you as a commenter by voicing your opinion in the threat and I have respect for the Creator because this is their effort. I'm not expecting everybody to be kind on the internet to each other because in reality that's impossible. I think there is pretty much everything to be said about this discussion that there can be so maybe it would be in everyone's interest to just take a step back for a minute and you want to talk about it I'm sure there's someone out there that would be willing to talk to you about it. There's a whole discord for discussing this game after all. and look I know I don't normally comment on here and I apologize for this very long reply, but if anybody reading this manages to actually care enough to make it down this far, have a tolerable amount of respect and as said earlier everyone and everything has flaws however there are some situations where going to only pick out the bad things the situation won't work. I'm going to be completely honest Lunar, I agree with some of the things you're saying but implying ego mania and saying someone has a thick skull just because they don't necessarily see completely eye to eye doesn't make either side look like the better option. I'm not trying to hold a United Nations conference here only reason so long is cuz I have a lot to say. I was going to post earlier but I had hoped by now the discussion would fizzle out either one way or the other, but in the end discussions like this are fruitful and critique is a good thing most of the time. But again if you want somebody to accept your criticism with open arms you have to treat them as an equal and not talk down on them every time. It's okay to chide people for things but going out of your way to make someone look dumb doesn't help anybody whether you're in the right or the wrong. I know I have again no place in this because I didn't start this discussion I'm not the Creator and I'm sure as hell probably not going to end it with this but conversation is a lot more fruitful when everyone is treated as equals. Yes this has some things that could be better but I'd imagine relatively speaking we're not too far into the entirety of the story. I'm glad that your voice is being heard for better or worse and I'm sure somebody here is going to either agree or vehemently disagree with one or multiple things that I've said here at the end of the day if we can see eye to eye on at least one thing or if we wind up disagreeing but can be least a tad bit polite, then everyone would be better off. To close this out because I know this is going to be overlooked most likely because of its length, Lunar, it's great that you're so passionate about your side and Runey is defending the work because as a creator of content I'd imagine that whether it's your first project or your 100th project you're still equally as protective. I know there's a lot of things on this thread and this entire page in general that highlight both the good and the bad about this but at the end of the day we can't see what the other person is thinking we can't feel what they're feeling. I'm sorry if that's a dense or stupid thing to say but in all honesty nobody really knows how another person feels and if you're passionate in your criticism, then by all means, be critical but don't be overtly critical to where it feels like you can't find anything good to say. If you're going to defend it then defend it; you can't give everything you've got one way or the other. Everybody can go about their lives myself included and we need not worry because if you want to play keep playing if you don't want to that's fine too. If you want to criticize every update I'm sure you're going to get some flack by the end of the day you're just voicing your opinion on the internet.
As for Runey, I think this game is going really well so far and I'm really sorry that you're receiving hell from people in this thread. And I don't know if it means much to you because pretty much everything good about this game has been said and most of the stuff that people would find to criticize about has been said, but at the end of the day you're a great storyteller with a lot of places to go if you continue to hone your craft and you're obviously great at designing games so seeing those two mesh is incredible especially in this way. As stated above I don't know how far into the "entire story" we are but it's nice to see the engine metaphorically get going and I await the surprises that I'm sure going to be here and things we may already know. Keep being you and I don't know if you've already been told this, but please continue making the game the way you want to make it. It's okay to listen to the fans but I pray that you don't go the route of some other game developers and give pieces of your soul just to listen to the people the play your game. I'll be honest I know I've seen it said here before but I came for the sex stayed for the story and both are equally as important and impactful so far this game is made by you so the end of the day the only person that can truly influence how this game goes direction wise is you. I personally love the way you're taking criticism because you're trying to maintain neutral ground which I don't know you personally so I can't speak to if that's how you are about everything but I understand from a Creator standpoint how you kind of take things like this and it doesn't feel good to be insulted it never does but you should more so take a hell of a lot of pride in the things you've done right and after you prioritize that then look back on what people say could be done differently. Set timer again but you don't really have to listen to anybody on this game if you want to make the game based off only things you like I'll still play it and I'm sure a lot of people will too if you want to listen to us that's cool just keep the aspect of you in it as long as you continue to be a supportive and well-rounded content creator then myself and a lot of other people in this community will continue to support you because I mean this I appreciate everything you do and I'm sorry if this is getting to becoming a cheesy supporting the Creator and backing the origin moment but I feel that people just absolutely dumping on you and your game isn't the way to go and a lot of this disrespect and perceived disrespect is completely unjustified. I'll be the first to tell you I don't normally get involved in Internet discussions whether positive or negative but in this case I had to because I don't want to see anything happen to you or the content that you put out. Because again this may sound cheesy but remember you're human Runey, and your mental well-being is JUST AS important as any direction this story goes. If Lunar wants to criticize they have every right to obviously and I'm not telling you what should or shouldn't be done, but I'm sure you've learned by this and probably other examples that not everybody is always going to have nice things to say and trust me you see on Twitter and discord I'm sure and patreon and here on itch the good far outweighs the bad and I personally would like it to continue that way because I feel like at the root of it all you're kind-hearted human and you're probably putting a lot of your emotions and sentiments into this game to go along with your effort. If I ever met you in public I'd be sure to tell you face to face what a damn good job you've been doing.