Well i tried the refresh script command, and if you leave the map with the facade in it and come back, that facade is now gone, even thought it was working IF I started the player on that same map. So I made an autorun with the script refresh and that froze it, I changed that to parallel and it did not refresh the facade upon re-entry at all. I'm going to work on this just a bit longer and probably need that other plugin I just need to clear some cash up is all. The few things I need to hold stable apparently wont work for what I want JUST YET on this one, but I'm nervous about the other plugin although I think you are certainly right.. I'm willing to retool it all for this 3D aspect and it will draw in more people I'm sure... I gotta check my budget and move something..