Fair enough, that was a bit too much, and I'm sorry.
I overreacted, so it's for the best you deleted that comment.
But you really should share the news about the upcoming sprites rework with itch/twitter/bsky users yourself.
It's big news and it worries me you are not only keeping it secret to anyone outside patreon, but are also ignoring any criticism even patreon subscribers are giving.
I apologize for being rude in my original comment, but it was passion for your project that commanded my actions. I am very concerned that the original sprites are being treated with such disregard for what made them good.
Yes, the old sprites aren't perfect, but they have their charm and they have been the official look of the characters we all grew to love. People love these characters the way they are, warts and all. You can't just discard their old looks and expect everyone to get on board with such drastic changes in design.
I don't believe there's malice in your actions, I know how game development, in its messy process, often makes things fall in place just perfectly to make for a disaster.
But you need to be more open about this and keep the community more involved in the process of this change. You own the game, but you don't own the community, however there's no reason for us to antagonize each other. We can work together to make this change a true upgrade everyone will be happy about.
I understand you are a small team and your resources are not endless to keep remaking things, but I hope you can see this is a big change and it really needs more attention than this fire-and-forget approach.
I've seen a lot, and I mean a LOT of good proyects ruined because they wanted to please everyone and try to adjust their story to every little complain that a fan has.
Even if you paid for the game, that doesn't make you the boss of the people in charge of making it, I get where you're coming from, but don't accuse the creators of "Hiding" content just because you need to wait a little longer for it.
Personally, even if I myself will miss the old sprites, I get it. I think the new ones were needed, if you compare the old style to the cutscenes, they just looked too different and that can make it jarring.
i might be in the minority, but the sprite rework is generally good and makes the characters look way better imo. if the author feels like a change is needed, i think it should be implemented. of course, the entire community should be aware of it and can respectfully express their opinions but in the end its the author's decision that truly matters
That's the thing, the new sprites look generally good, they could be put into any other VN and feel right at home! But they are a bad fit for the project.
We're not an anti-everything-new mob of luddites, the old sprites could be improved, of course. But after so many people got used to the old designs, it must be done with respect for said original designs!
Dawn Chorus is a fascinating passionate project, telling intimate down-to-earth stories of interpersonal relationships with incredible nuance. It really doesn't need to look like a generic furry porn game...
Update your video card drivers and see if it helps.
Older drivers have been having various issues with RenPy for a while now and there are no plans to fix that, since the user is supposed to keep their video drivers up to date anyway.
p.s. When reporting a renpy VN bug - you should, at the very least, provide log.txt from the game's main directory, as well as a screenshot of the problem, in case of a visual bug. More often than not, it's very hard to help using only a short description of the problem.
Sorry sorry, I never did a report of a bug or anything but I did find out why it does that, it's whenever I open a different app and go back to the VN, his sprite loses the hands
He isn't just losing hands, he is losing everything below that point, you just can't see it because his shorts and shirt are different sprites layered above his body sprite. You can try to cause the bug when Torulf is naked and you will see it.
Have you updated your video driver? If you did and the game still does that - upload your log somewhere and link it here. It's generally considered VN developer's responsibility to report to Tom all the Renpy bugs found in their VNs.
Guess who's the only itch.io-bound maniac butchering Dawn Chorus' gamefiles.
Okay, the variable is called "nhia_beer" and it's only semi-important in Torulf's route. All other changes are small and happen during the fireplace party, here's a full list:
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During the fireplace party, changes numerous inconsequential lines like whether or not Lake gives Arvo another bottle, and who chugs soda during "Never Have I Ever".
During "Spin the bottle", if you are on Rune's, Bjorn's, or Torulf's route, sober Arvo can ask "What makes you happy?", while drunk Arvo can instead ask "What do you think of me?".
During "Spin the bottle", on Rune's route, when Lake dares Rune to kiss Arvo, sober Arvo tries to protest. Drunk Arvo decides he is "in no state to protest" and is pretty much anticipating it.
During "Never Have I Ever", if NSFW is enabled, drunk Arvo can wreak havoc at the table by saying he never thought about drinking his own piss. Chaos ensues when he scores some points.
In Torulf's route:
During "Spin the bottle", if they haven't slept on day 1, drunk Arvo asks why Torulf has been avoiding him. Sober Arvo gets normal questions.
Changes what Arvo asks Torulf after the fireplace party, if they haven't slept on day 1 - drunk Arvo once again asks why Torulf has been avoiding him, and sober asks what's between Torulf and Lake.
SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME!!! First of all, English is not my first language, so unfortunately I can't play the game with full understanding, so there might be some parts I missed. From the beginning of the game I was focused on Mikko and I wanted to be with him. Everything was going well but even though I found out that Mikko also likes the MC, I couldn't bring them together and the game ended. Am I doing something wrong? Is that all there is to the game?
I actually hoped Mikko and MC would...Just...Istg. This ending broke me. I'm not sure if there are multiple endings to Mikko's route but in my play-through, I thought Mikko actually was starting to like the MC again. But to no avail. He fucked the MC up and dropped some mean words, and MC just went back to the capital. I wish there would be a happy ending for Mikko.
The Worse One, aka Happy Fun Time With Kinky Accessories <== You are here
THE WORST ONE, aka Flower Field
But hey, at least you saw it after it got changed a little. Initially, it was very ambiguous whether Arvo even survives it. I personally think Keo shouldn't have changed that and should have leaned heavily into the unintended but entertaining maniacal Mikko Route - would have made for a fun Halloween update.
To get a slightly less horrible ending, make sure to always pick Mikko events(Only some events are important, but it's easier to play all of them). It's the canon one and the one that's going to have a continuation in further updates, unlike the other two.
To get a much more horrible ending, follow Mikko's route, but go back to your room after you find the key. I warned you though, it's THE WORST ONE.
Thank you so much for the help! I got Knocking On The Door last night. I was much happier with that 😂😂. But I await the arrival of the Messiah. The Mikko happy ending. :) Genuinely. I feel like this route hit me harder than the VN Echo. Again. Thank you for shedding some light on this. I also got into Devons route rn.
Devon's route is probably the most realistic one in what's already a very down to earth VN. It's how most young people's first serious romance goes - they just get bothered about it and keep seeking the company of their crush afraid to make a move.
I personally love all of them, except maybe Bjorn's, but that's because it has events that feel like they should be a choice, yet they are not.
Still, I recommend you to play all of them(and don't forget the Klaus route like I did!), as each is very interesting in its own way. Though I definitely recommend you play Lake's last, as it's soul bleach because of how sweet it is, and you're going to need that after some routes.
While following Mikko's route, on day 2, after the lecture, don't pick option "Tag along". That's enough to fail his route and get you to the worse ending.
The way he's caring and then he's just ignoring the MC, while the MC try to give everything he could, and then he comes out of Lakes room after doing THAT is pretty fuxked up, but his route is still my favorite
Copy that, lol. I dont get it, but hey... To each their own. Just make sure you're not putting up with that shi* in real life. It takes a long time to patch yourself back up again after being subjected to that kind of emotional abuse.
Am i the only one who chose torulf and got the most heart breaking cliff hanger like??? Him using us for sexual stuff dude and he did the same thing with lake thats so messed up like i feel disgusted after what happened ngl , sad to i feel the main character we play as ( CANT WAIT FOR UPDATES OMLL I LOVE THIS GAME)))
so i go down the Devon route and it gets to the choice to convince him to stay or don't bother and why does the game just end like I'm left on such a big cliff hanger now!
I don't know about you guys, but honestly, I have never felt anything so close to love like I feel towards Devon. :') And I can't really feel that on the others, maybe Rune just a little bit, but Devon? Sigh, his character, both apperiance and personality is just the nicest treasure. After many years, this is the very visual novel I always wait for its update.
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I feel like this visual novel will lead us to no good ending and neutral might be the most generous at the end of the day, even if you choose the nicest boy on the camp. In Torulf, I saw this was coming, but I'm extremely disappointed in him. He's so mature, yet he still can't notice that he is entirely on the wrong trail since the very first life-lessons. I would go far to say his world view is wrong and unhealthy, maybe I'm wrong, but it definately wouldn't lead to a place where I would like to stay. And the thing is, he is full aware of his doing, still being so stubborn, he does owe us an explanation. I feel like it's more complicated though. Desire to be acknowledged by everyone, I wonder what caused this mental thinking. I can relate to Arvo because I also was in a similar situation like that and it's extremely unpleasent. It can cut such deep wounds that you can't imagine, and not in just you, but in the others as well. It can cause you doubts that will make you think you are less appealing, attractive, and it will play a nasty game both with your body image and with your personality. In short, dating an elite and narcissistic guy is the worst idea.
[Edit: I didn't tell this to offend others T-T It should be just my reflection on him, there's nothing wrong with living for your own desires if it makes you happy instead of being sad, Torulf should just play with open cards or at least be a little more obvious, but then where would be the problem in his route.]
i wonder if you could get to know multiple guys closer and not fuck with them (at least not necessarily) but i guess we can only find that out once the story will be fully released
but guuuuys, there are lots of them who are miserable and i want to save all of them
i get it, the story goes only for 7 days so usually you stuck deep into someone's route and can't spare much time for others and that's a bit sad
I've only played through 3 routes so far -Lake (love them!!), Mikko and Klaus - but this is probably one of my favourite VNs I've ever read. J love the writing and the depth each character has - every one of them has their own struggles. The description stating its a wholesome VN made me believe the story's gonna be all cutesy. Oh, how wrong I was! It really makes you think and try to understand each character and their actions from their point of view. I catch myself thinking about it like all the time since I started playing :'3 The artstyle is amazing, especially on CGs and backgrounds. The soundtrack is beautiful and makes the entire setting come to life. I love all the references to music (even though I dont get almost all of them LOL). Cant wait for more updates, especially on the three guys mentioned above! So, so happy it gets updated monthly, unlike most FVNs which get forgotten in the middle of writing. Also, happy new year everyone ;3
I kind of doubt that would happen since, in my opinion, this VN is more about clinging into 1 person while the others around don't get too close, unless they make a small separate story like Broken Harbours
this vn is literally magical, i love it. I haven't read any books or novels in years and this literally restored my love for reading. It's so emotional and beautiful, I wish it would never end <3
I've been super into this VN for about 2 years now, and I'm finally getting around to finishing day 3 for Mikko. I gotta say, this visual novel has a way of making me lightheaded! (I can't thank you guys enough for making this VN, it has introduced me to a couple of albums and books I really enjoy (Looking at my copy of Knausgård's biography))
I wrote a song inspired by Dawn Chorus. Thank you for the wonderful VN <3.
I'm unsure if sharing links is fine, so look up 'Allero. - When the Dawn Arrives' if you want to give it a listen. It's a nice heartfelt thing and I'm very proud of it. There is also an instrumental version.
Let me know if I can share the link in reply. No stress if not!
I've been following and playing this visual novel ever since early December of 2020 and I can't believe its been this long! This has to be one of the BEST visual novel I ever played. I don't get too emotional when I'm playing visual novels, but this one really hits hard. (In a good way). I've been playing all the routs for each character and I'm absolutely speechless. The pure raw emotions they put into some of these routs left me heartbroken like Torulf's route and Mikko's. I find it impressive that this visual novel makes me feel emotional in a way because that's honestly the true art of writing. The illustrations on these routes are absolutely beautiful too! There are a lot of cute and wholesome routs to play like Lake, Rune, and Jorgen! These routs were really amazing and incredible. I'm honestly gonna be very sad once this games ends because I keep craving for more. I can't wait to see more futures updates for this visual novel. I love this novel so much i need help hujkbdefrgvdjhfnsjedhrfn! :'3
I think runes route is my favourite, honestly I felt so much better with him after reading Torulf's route, definitely waiting for the next update for runes route
I want to learn more about Rune's backstory. There must be a reason why he's so determined to keep to his own devices and never bother anyone unless he has a good justification.
Because he's basically perfect, except he is all too eager to remain in the background and just wait to be discovered.
in one of the dream/flashbacks there's themes of parental abandonment. they are either just as workaholic or achievements are the only things that get him acknowledged by his parents
Oh yeah, I remember that one! But that's half a puzzle piece at best. Abandonment alone usually makes people crave attention, not learn to calmly mind their business.
Also, how does that even tie into his whole over-archiever persona?
No, I need to know more, this is decisively not enough information...
When you meet the, uh... How to put it without spoilers... The Big Floof? You can only either run or shove whoever came with you(dependent on which table you chose at breakfast).
Btw, if you want to know more - get to the lobby after the lights go out in the lodge(Rune's route, for example, gets you there if you choose to go out of the room). Arvo will see a familiar silhouette if you saw the Klaus sub-route.
You follow Klaus, you see him with a huge wolf, you backpedal out of there, no choices there. You get back to the lodge, get help and find the ritual circle, and the wolf finds you - this time you have a choice, you can either just run, or push your companion towards danger first, either way the wolf catches up to you and your companion from the event wakes you up.
Later on, during the lights out event, if you get to the lobby, you meet Dan, a neighboring wolf who came to check up on the lodge. Arvo comments that this wolf's silhouette is familiar. Dan then acknowledges he has already met Klaus - it was him in the woods in the part of the Klaus event that was real. That's what I'm talking about. What are you talking about?
yes, i know this peace. but again I'm talking about the other one, deeper into the Klaus route
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you see Klaus getting into the woods right after supper and decide to run after him. after clearing some of the misunderstandings you arrive at the meadow, to an old grave (with a plate "i walk with a ghosts"). later you can choose to stay at Klaus' instead and if you do become obsessed with him, really. Later you visit Dan with Klaus and he suggests performing some kind of a ritual with evocations in a low deep voice. Klaus wants there to be something beyond our realm so he strives to find it everywhere, this time through low frequencies of sound and our company in a cabin in the woods. he believes he can raise a curtain of this world and find something else, maybe he can even draw ghosts nearby and communicate with them. So during this unfamiliar experience Arvo starts to lose his mind, seeing things
that's what I'm talking about
and there is an option panel, but i have only one choice
so i wondered whether there is another one that i don't know how to create
Okay, what is this? Are you... making fun of me? There isn't a Klaus route, just one event. To pick a route you pick a character at the end of day 1 and he isn't a choice. You simply don't see him outside of breakfast and his one event on day 1.
To my knowledge, there's never an option to follow him again in any of the actual routes, though I can vaguely remember him going into the woods again being mentioned in passing in someone else's route.
Also the screenshot you've shown is missing half the buttons at the bottom. What is this? Some ancient Halloween version?
Well, the author was willing to put in not one, not two, but three intermediate Mikko endings into the game by this point. So it's safe to say there very well might be a universally good ending for them in the final game in a couple of years - Dawn Chorus receives monthly updates for one or two characters at a time, usually moving the plot a day forward for them.
In the meantime, you can read through the comments here for guidance on getting the bad, and the worst intermediate Mikko endings, just to not feel as bad about the ending you've got.
Also, other characters are very well worth your attention as well. But do be warned - the Torulf route is pretty heavy, while the Lake route is absolutely the lightest one. I really recommend playing the Lake route last just to walk away from the game with a positive impression.
Oh wow, what a complete answer, thank you lot!I will play Lake's route and keep in touch with the other characters, again thank you a lot and marry christmas!
I'm very self-conscious, so don't be too vicious, okay? Also, no hate toward the creator or anything.
IF YOU PLAYED THE GAME, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND NOT FOR NEWCOMERS.
It doesn't really contain spoilers, I think.
I deleted my previous post because it was too much, so now I'm just going to sum it up. All the characters are very problematic and are hiding major things, and after falling mostly in love with Arvo, they decide to tell him, for example, Lake, in the shower. I don't know if I'm just dull, but I did not expect what they said. Also, please explain to me how I'm wrong, and this isn't me being sarcastic; I'm just curious about others opinions.
Like Seriously, someone give me a reason to continue playing this game cause I really like it but it just got to be too much for my personal taste like I was shocked to many times.
Are you trying to say I'm a kid because I'm not sure what gave you that impression, and if you say it's my username, that's not a good enough reason? Actually, I see what gave you that impression now that I'm reading what I wrote, but I'm still not a kid.
No there will be, if I recall correctly, but the whole route focuses on the idea of entropy and connection. The outcome of the relationship is wholly dependent on the amount of energy arvo puts in to fixing it.
Right now we are in the rising action of the story heading towards the climax, so it only stands to reason that things arent the best. It's like puberty... It's gotta get worse before it can get better.
We're on day 3 out of 7 and updates keep coming, of course there will be more. As long as there's financial support to the project, that is :p
What comes to the plot...
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I have a feeling it will be about embracing change and living in the present. Their old relationship is finally dead, so they can figure each other out anew and get together as adults.
I'm making a bet we will see Mikko burning at least one of his stupid journals - his obsession with them makes them a perfect Chekhov's gun. He said he didn't bring any physical ones with him but he often lies with a straight face, so ;P
Also I am extremely curious to learn more about his relationship with Joonas. I'll go ahead and make another bet that it fell apart simply because Joonas wasn't Arvo. >:3
I'll probably get downvoted, but I don't like Bjorn's route. It's clearly underdeveloped - it's almost entirely linear and has Arvo acting on his own without your input.
Also I just don't feel the chemistry between the two.
It's like... Bjorn is just being sad and barely saying anything, and Arvo's like "Omg omg omg, a bear! I want to cuddle him! I'm so horny!". Seriously, everyone else in every route has a game on. Bjorn does not, but Arvo is falling head over heels for him, it feels weird to me.
Bjorn needs a friend, not a fuckmate, what are you doing, Arvo? :\
I guess I understand what you're saying, but I'm not sure I agree with it. Obviously you're entitled to your opinion, and I find it an interesting perspective nonetheless.
I like Bjørn. I find him compelling because he reminds me of a lot of people I've met in my own life. His struggles with responsibility and desire, I think are rather relatable to, at least where I'm from, the general culture surrounding ones dreams and aspirations.
I disagree that they don't have any chemistry. Bjørn is a creative individual, a dreamer, an artist just like Arvo, but his creativity is being stiffled by his depression, his fear of failure, and of course his feelings of responsibility and obligation to his parents and to their future. He believes, in some respect, that he must earn the life that they gave him a chance at by achieving something great. He's drowning in the never-ending problem he's trying to face because he's not cut out for the field he believes would make his parents happy. Bashing his head against a brick wall, expecting it to break instead of finding another path out.
Arvo is also a dreamer and an artist. He desires to capture the beauty in the world around him, and because of his different upbringing from that of the bear, he holds the belief that he can achieve his dreams, but is stiffled by his fears of not being good enough. Stifled by his fears of messing up. Stifled by his fears of mediocrity. We see examples of this in a lot of different routes, but in this route we see a specific example in his conversation with Guðrun about photography where he admits to himself that he's lost the meaning of photography that he was originally striving for.
I think when Arvo looks at Bjørn, in some respect, he sees himself. In addition to that, Bjørn, just like Arvo, is extremely lonely. The whole route is focused on the idea of inhibitions, what they are, what they mean, and finding a balance between responsibility to others and to yourself.
But I don't really see how any of the things you've mentioned could be a basis for the extremely rapidly blooming romance of this route, when none of them were portrayed or used in this manner. They were good reasons to become friends though.
I think the chemistry you're seeing in this route is actually entirely inside your head this time(and maybe you and the author are on the same wavelength about this) - to me it's obvious the plot is missing some key developments between "we're chatting about studying" and "we're cuddling half-naked under a blanket".
Though I don't know what we're even arguing about here, the route is literally underdeveloped, you can't even derail it if you try, and I tried.
It has my favorite interaction with Lake though! Jealous Lake! Or maybe I'm the one reading too deep into it this time.
After the game night, regardless of whether you visited it or not, you won't be present for the power outage. So at the supper Lake goes: "too bad we didn't have you there :C I have to talk you into staying with us next time. So what did you do?" - "Stayed with Bjorn". Lake, without moving a face muscle, looks up at Bjorn, who has been towering over them like the Eye of Sauron the entire time: "Oh hi, Bjorn, didn't see you there." xD Yeah, right. And then Lake's like "Oh well, gotta go!" and skedaddles to avoid drilling a hole in Bjorn with a jealous look. He's such a sweet idiot, I wish there were options to derail other routes for Lake :3
Oh, I don't think we are arguing. In fact, I do agree that it develops rather quickly—when I first played the route, I was surprised at the speed at which they connected—and I can see what you're saying in regards to being underdeveloped.
There are even inconsistencies with plot points and exposition as well. Maybe the author just hasn't had time to do a clean up like he's done for other routes in the past.
I suppose I came off as though I thought it was a perfect route, but it isn't and that wasn't my intent.
Nono, I didn't mean it like fighting-arguing, more like discussing-arguing. People sometimes forget the word "arguing" comes from the word "argument", and think of it as screaming at each other in futile rage - that's not the meaning I intended :p
You have been a very nice companion to discuss this VN with, I very much enjoy your company and opinions and hope we will get to keep discussing it all the way to its full release =)
for me it was weird that whether you romance him or befriend him comes from a choice to drink or not to drink, and if you drink you automatically suck him off later that night. but if you don't drink there is basically no romance, just two friends hugging in an underwear, providing physical touch to each other which is great
Okay, I feel genuinely singled out here. I am an aspiring musician who reads and practices a ton philosophy, works out a lot and enjoys working myself half to death (sometimes). Rune's route is one I really connect with on a personal level. Lake is perfect, but Rune is literally me.
By the way (if it's no bother to you), could you tell me what you mean by life being 'linear'? That's the kind of stuff I like to sit, think and have an existential crisis about sometimes.
Yeah, this author has a real penchant for creating very realistic characters that remind players of real people. Though you might be the first one to admit one of the characters is literally you.
Also, I haven't seen the author reply here, but you can start talking about things you found interesting and someone surely will join. Which route was that stuff about the linearity of life in? Rune's?
In Rune’s we mention it while on the roof with him. Also in Mikko’s route he mentions how ‘non linear’ his life feels. I’m guessing he’s saying that he feels as though he’s defied any kind of predestination in his life, but I could be mistaken.
Right, so, in Rune's roof scene Arvo is thinking about non-linearity in a whimsical way that isn't supposed to make much sense, I think - he's just experiencing a case of deja-vu, feeling the same way he did long time ago, that sense of inspired hope for the future and closeness to someone he mutually appreciates, as if the life looped back on itself and the same moment happened twice.
And... I don't quite remember what Mikko said about non-linearity. Could you remind me when he said it so I can double-check?
It was Arvo both times. He just said kinda the same thing to Mikko as he did to Rune. You might be right, he could be talking about the purpose and meaning of memories in our lives; timelines folding in on themselves as our minds bring up the events of moments passed in the present, affecting our current actions and thoughts, though the moments themselves are gone forever. That's quite cool to think about actually.
I personally love Lake's bursts of philosophically fatalistic mood. "You can suddenly just die, everything you have can be lost", and I'm like: "I just had supper, who starts a conversation like this?
Torulf is a horrible person, and that's how it's supposed to be. I'll put the rest under a spoiler.
His route is an exploration of the complicated topic of abuse that young people are often subjected to and how internalized and normalized this has become in our society. It just wouldn't work if he was a genuinely good person and Arvo was freaking out over nothing.
I understand the topic is heavy and not at all enjoyable, which is probably not what you were looking for in a visual ovel. I have some complicated feelings about it too. But please try to understand that the Torulf route is the most nuanced and complicated one in the entire VN and there's a reason why people want more of it.
Also, you don't need to hate on it, after the next update, you won't see another Torulf update for more than half a year.
Then again, it's pretty obvious he is going to play some role in other routes. Probably not one as dramatic, but still.
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I'd appreciate commenters not posting links to pirate websites.
Fair enough, that was a bit too much, and I'm sorry.
I overreacted, so it's for the best you deleted that comment.
But you really should share the news about the upcoming sprites rework with itch/twitter/bsky users yourself.
It's big news and it worries me you are not only keeping it secret to anyone outside patreon, but are also ignoring any criticism even patreon subscribers are giving.
I apologize for being rude in my original comment, but it was passion for your project that commanded my actions. I am very concerned that the original sprites are being treated with such disregard for what made them good.
Yes, the old sprites aren't perfect, but they have their charm and they have been the official look of the characters we all grew to love. People love these characters the way they are, warts and all. You can't just discard their old looks and expect everyone to get on board with such drastic changes in design.
I don't believe there's malice in your actions, I know how game development, in its messy process, often makes things fall in place just perfectly to make for a disaster.
But you need to be more open about this and keep the community more involved in the process of this change. You own the game, but you don't own the community, however there's no reason for us to antagonize each other. We can work together to make this change a true upgrade everyone will be happy about.
I understand you are a small team and your resources are not endless to keep remaking things, but I hope you can see this is a big change and it really needs more attention than this fire-and-forget approach.
Please don't be a stranger to your own fans.
I've seen a lot, and I mean a LOT of good proyects ruined because they wanted to please everyone and try to adjust their story to every little complain that a fan has.
Even if you paid for the game, that doesn't make you the boss of the people in charge of making it, I get where you're coming from, but don't accuse the creators of "Hiding" content just because you need to wait a little longer for it.
Personally, even if I myself will miss the old sprites, I get it. I think the new ones were needed, if you compare the old style to the cutscenes, they just looked too different and that can make it jarring.
i might be in the minority, but the sprite rework is generally good and makes the characters look way better imo. if the author feels like a change is needed, i think it should be implemented. of course, the entire community should be aware of it and can respectfully express their opinions but in the end its the author's decision that truly matters
That's the thing, the new sprites look generally good, they could be put into any other VN and feel right at home! But they are a bad fit for the project.
We're not an anti-everything-new mob of luddites, the old sprites could be improved, of course. But after so many people got used to the old designs, it must be done with respect for said original designs!
Dawn Chorus is a fascinating passionate project, telling intimate down-to-earth stories of interpersonal relationships with incredible nuance. It really doesn't need to look like a generic furry porn game...
Love it so far! But waiting for the next update to Rune's path is torture bc I think I might actually have a crush on him ;-;
Is it just for me that sometimes duting Torulf's route his sprite sometimes appears with his hand cut off and sometimes doesn't?
Update your video card drivers and see if it helps.
Older drivers have been having various issues with RenPy for a while now and there are no plans to fix that, since the user is supposed to keep their video drivers up to date anyway.
p.s. When reporting a renpy VN bug - you should, at the very least, provide log.txt from the game's main directory, as well as a screenshot of the problem, in case of a visual bug. More often than not, it's very hard to help using only a short description of the problem.
Sorry sorry, I never did a report of a bug or anything but I did find out why it does that, it's whenever I open a different app and go back to the VN, his sprite loses the hands
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He isn't just losing hands, he is losing everything below that point, you just can't see it because his shorts and shirt are different sprites layered above his body sprite. You can try to cause the bug when Torulf is naked and you will see it.
Have you updated your video driver? If you did and the game still does that - upload your log somewhere and link it here. It's generally considered VN developer's responsibility to report to Tom all the Renpy bugs found in their VNs.
Or you can report it to the Renpy github yourself, if you have a git account or don't mind making one. https://github.com/renpy/renpy/issues
He deserves it🥰🥰🥰
This is a fantastic comment. I love this. XD
hi, guys
anyone ever butchered scripts whether drinking while playing on a second day changes anything and if positive then in which routes?
Guess who's the only itch.io-bound maniac butchering Dawn Chorus' gamefiles.
Okay, the variable is called "nhia_beer" and it's only semi-important in Torulf's route. All other changes are small and happen during the fireplace party, here's a full list:
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During the fireplace party, changes numerous inconsequential lines like whether or not Lake gives Arvo another bottle, and who chugs soda during "Never Have I Ever".
During "Spin the bottle", if you are on Rune's, Bjorn's, or Torulf's route, sober Arvo can ask "What makes you happy?", while drunk Arvo can instead ask "What do you think of me?".
During "Spin the bottle", on Rune's route, when Lake dares Rune to kiss Arvo, sober Arvo tries to protest. Drunk Arvo decides he is "in no state to protest" and is pretty much anticipating it.
During "Never Have I Ever", if NSFW is enabled, drunk Arvo can wreak havoc at the table by saying he never thought about drinking his own piss. Chaos ensues when he scores some points.
In Torulf's route:
During "Spin the bottle", if they haven't slept on day 1, drunk Arvo asks why Torulf has been avoiding him. Sober Arvo gets normal questions.
Changes what Arvo asks Torulf after the fireplace party, if they haven't slept on day 1 - drunk Arvo once again asks why Torulf has been avoiding him, and sober asks what's between Torulf and Lake.
Is there a discord server for this VN? Like the Echo Project has.
Patreon members have access to the official discord. There is a fan discord if I recall correctly, but I do not have a link.
SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME!!! First of all, English is not my first language, so unfortunately I can't play the game with full understanding, so there might be some parts I missed. From the beginning of the game I was focused on Mikko and I wanted to be with him. Everything was going well but even though I found out that Mikko also likes the MC, I couldn't bring them together and the game ended. Am I doing something wrong? Is that all there is to the game?
To avoid copy-pasting replies, here's my answer to the same question:
https://itch.io/post/9075988
Short version - game still in development, updates every month. A good Mikko ending will come in a couple of years, maybe.
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I actually hoped Mikko and MC would...Just...Istg. This ending broke me. I'm not sure if there are multiple endings to Mikko's route but in my play-through, I thought Mikko actually was starting to like the MC again. But to no avail. He fucked the MC up and dropped some mean words, and MC just went back to the capital. I wish there would be a happy ending for Mikko.
Mikko endings:
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The Bad One, aka Knocking On The Door
The Worse One, aka Happy Fun Time With Kinky Accessories <== You are here
THE WORST ONE, aka Flower Field
But hey, at least you saw it after it got changed a little. Initially, it was very ambiguous whether Arvo even survives it. I personally think Keo shouldn't have changed that and should have leaned heavily into the unintended but entertaining maniacal Mikko Route - would have made for a fun Halloween update.
To get a slightly less horrible ending, make sure to always pick Mikko events(Only some events are important, but it's easier to play all of them). It's the canon one and the one that's going to have a continuation in further updates, unlike the other two.
To get a much more horrible ending, follow Mikko's route, but go back to your room after you find the key. I warned you though, it's THE WORST ONE.
Thank you so much for the help! I got Knocking On The Door last night. I was much happier with that 😂😂. But I await the arrival of the Messiah. The Mikko happy ending. :) Genuinely. I feel like this route hit me harder than the VN Echo. Again. Thank you for shedding some light on this. I also got into Devons route rn.
You're welcome!
Devon's route is probably the most realistic one in what's already a very down to earth VN. It's how most young people's first serious romance goes - they just get bothered about it and keep seeking the company of their crush afraid to make a move.
I personally love all of them, except maybe Bjorn's, but that's because it has events that feel like they should be a choice, yet they are not.
Still, I recommend you to play all of them(and don't forget the Klaus route like I did!), as each is very interesting in its own way. Though I definitely recommend you play Lake's last, as it's soul bleach because of how sweet it is, and you're going to need that after some routes.
I have the WORST ending of Mikko's route but, how do I get the second ending, "Happy Fun Time With Kinky Accessories", thxxx
While following Mikko's route, on day 2, after the lecture, don't pick option "Tag along". That's enough to fail his route and get you to the worse ending.
The new update got me feel Soo bad about Torulf, like he's a sweet guy, but he use Lake and the MC for sex for some attention is killing me
In my humble opinion, Torulf isn't a sweet guy. He's one of those, 'Nice Guys.' Torulf, from my perspective, is manipulative and twisted.
That being said, I totally respect your opinion and get where you're coming from, and I'm not trying to rag on Torulf. I just don't like him.
U're right, he's an asshole, but he's kind and sweet while u're with him, like he gave all the attention and love to the MC while they were "together"
Yeah, that's the problem. Healthy love and sweetness should be unconditional. His conditional affection is a poison to the recipient.
I've got lots of feelings about the Torulf path... Lol
The way he's caring and then he's just ignoring the MC, while the MC try to give everything he could, and then he comes out of Lakes room after doing THAT is pretty fuxked up, but his route is still my favorite
Copy that, lol. I dont get it, but hey... To each their own. Just make sure you're not putting up with that shi* in real life. It takes a long time to patch yourself back up again after being subjected to that kind of emotional abuse.
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Am i the only one who chose torulf and got the most heart breaking cliff hanger like??? Him using us for sexual stuff dude and he did the same thing with lake thats so messed up like i feel disgusted after what happened ngl , sad to i feel the main character we play as ( CANT WAIT FOR UPDATES OMLL I LOVE THIS GAME)))
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so i go down the Devon route and it gets to the choice to convince him to stay or don't bother and why does the game just end like I'm left on such a big cliff hanger now!
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In-Game, I'm torn between whether I like Devon, Or Rune more... Rune is definitely hotter, But Devon is more comforting to be around.
great writing as always but omfggggg these characters needa google what a threesome is xD
Wiiiiiiith..? I must know.
Torulf , the main character, and lake
I don't know about you guys, but honestly, I have never felt anything so close to love like I feel towards Devon. :') And I can't really feel that on the others, maybe Rune just a little bit, but Devon? Sigh, his character, both apperiance and personality is just the nicest treasure. After many years, this is the very visual novel I always wait for its update.
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I feel like this visual novel will lead us to no good ending and neutral might be the most generous at the end of the day, even if you choose the nicest boy on the camp.
In Torulf, I saw this was coming, but I'm extremely disappointed in him. He's so mature, yet he still can't notice that he is entirely on the wrong trail since the very first life-lessons. I would go far to say his world view is wrong and unhealthy, maybe I'm wrong, but it definately wouldn't lead to a place where I would like to stay. And the thing is, he is full aware of his doing, still being so stubborn, he does owe us an explanation. I feel like it's more complicated though. Desire to be acknowledged by everyone, I wonder what caused this mental thinking. I can relate to Arvo because I also was in a similar situation like that and it's extremely unpleasent. It can cut such deep wounds that you can't imagine, and not in just you, but in the others as well. It can cause you doubts that will make you think you are less appealing, attractive, and it will play a nasty game both with your body image and with your personality. In short, dating an elite and narcissistic guy is the worst idea.
[Edit: I didn't tell this to offend others T-T It should be just my reflection on him, there's nothing wrong with living for your own desires if it makes you happy instead of being sad, Torulf should just play with open cards or at least be a little more obvious, but then where would be the problem in his route.]
i wonder if you could get to know multiple guys closer and not fuck with them (at least not necessarily) but i guess we can only find that out once the story will be fully released
but guuuuys, there are lots of them who are miserable and i want to save all of them
i get it, the story goes only for 7 days so usually you stuck deep into someone's route and can't spare much time for others and that's a bit sad
It's poetic, in a way - cling together with one person and watch the rest of the world burn.
Remember, ships at the sea - some make it, some don't.
dont mind me, just a little review
I've only played through 3 routes so far -Lake (love them!!), Mikko and Klaus - but this is probably one of my favourite VNs I've ever read. J love the writing and the depth each character has - every one of them has their own struggles. The description stating its a wholesome VN made me believe the story's gonna be all cutesy. Oh, how wrong I was! It really makes you think and try to understand each character and their actions from their point of view. I catch myself thinking about it like all the time since I started playing :'3 The artstyle is amazing, especially on CGs and backgrounds. The soundtrack is beautiful and makes the entire setting come to life. I love all the references to music (even though I dont get almost all of them LOL). Cant wait for more updates, especially on the three guys mentioned above! So, so happy it gets updated monthly, unlike most FVNs which get forgotten in the middle of writing. Also, happy new year everyone ;3
have you ever thought about poly routes?, like Arvo, Devon, Rune or Torluf, Arvo, Lake?
I kind of doubt that would happen since, in my opinion, this VN is more about clinging into 1 person while the others around don't get too close, unless they make a small separate story like Broken Harbours
this vn is literally magical, i love it. I haven't read any books or novels in years and this literally restored my love for reading. It's so emotional and beautiful, I wish it would never end <3
I've been super into this VN for about 2 years now, and I'm finally getting around to finishing day 3 for Mikko. I gotta say, this visual novel has a way of making me lightheaded! (I can't thank you guys enough for making this VN, it has introduced me to a couple of albums and books I really enjoy (Looking at my copy of Knausgård's biography))
I wrote a song inspired by Dawn Chorus. Thank you for the wonderful VN <3.
I'm unsure if sharing links is fine, so look up 'Allero. - When the Dawn Arrives' if you want to give it a listen. It's a nice heartfelt thing and I'm very proud of it. There is also an instrumental version.
Let me know if I can share the link in reply. No stress if not!
Anyhoos, have a wonderful new year, everyone!
I gave it a listen. Its really good! I recommend you all listen :)
Thanks! <3
I'm so in love with this VN and can't wait for more updates! The setting is so nice and down to earth and I love the characters.
(spoilers i think? idk)
I've been following and playing this visual novel ever since early December of 2020 and I can't believe its been this long!
This has to be one of the BEST visual novel I ever played. I don't get too emotional when I'm playing visual novels, but this one really hits hard. (In a good way). I've been playing all the routs for each character and I'm absolutely speechless. The pure raw emotions they put into some of these routs left me heartbroken like Torulf's route and Mikko's. I find it impressive that this visual novel makes me feel emotional in a way because that's honestly the true art of writing. The illustrations on these routes are absolutely beautiful too!
There are a lot of cute and wholesome routs to play like Lake, Rune, and Jorgen! These routs were really amazing and incredible. I'm honestly gonna be very sad once this games ends because I keep craving for more. I can't wait to see more futures updates for this visual novel. I love this novel so much i need help hujkbdefrgvdjhfnsjedhrfn! :'3
I think runes route is my favourite, honestly I felt so much better with him after reading Torulf's route, definitely waiting for the next update for runes route
I want to learn more about Rune's backstory. There must be a reason why he's so determined to keep to his own devices and never bother anyone unless he has a good justification.
Because he's basically perfect, except he is all too eager to remain in the background and just wait to be discovered.
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in one of the dream/flashbacks there's themes of parental abandonment. they are either just as workaholic or achievements are the only things that get him acknowledged by his parents
Oh yeah, I remember that one! But that's half a puzzle piece at best. Abandonment alone usually makes people crave attention, not learn to calmly mind their business.
Also, how does that even tie into his whole over-archiever persona?
No, I need to know more, this is decisively not enough information...
damn well i guess torulf is a bottom thats kind of a minus but the story for his route is so good wow.
Nooo, spoilers. x_x
But he's a top for Lake, so he's definitely a switch if u ask me:3
I forgot to bring my laptop with me to nice, i guess i will have to download the Torulf update when I get home on the 30th ;-;
Well if you an an android phone, why don't you just use that?
Idk why but apk's doesn't work on my phone 3:
Finally got around to playing, fun game
hey guys
i wonder if someone knows, but is there option available at Klaus' ritual other than running away? and if there is maybe you can give a tiny hint
yeah, most people talk about Devon's route development and here i am pulling the dead out of their grave
When you meet the, uh... How to put it without spoilers... The Big Floof? You can only either run or shove whoever came with you(dependent on which table you chose at breakfast).
Btw, if you want to know more - get to the lobby after the lights go out in the lodge(Rune's route, for example, gets you there if you choose to go out of the room). Arvo will see a familiar silhouette if you saw the Klaus sub-route.
nahh, i mean the ritual delirium, not the lobby delirium
with a bass amplifier, to put it subtle
Okay, this is getting entirely too cryptic.
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You follow Klaus, you see him with a huge wolf, you backpedal out of there, no choices there. You get back to the lodge, get help and find the ritual circle, and the wolf finds you - this time you have a choice, you can either just run, or push your companion towards danger first, either way the wolf catches up to you and your companion from the event wakes you up.
Later on, during the lights out event, if you get to the lobby, you meet Dan, a neighboring wolf who came to check up on the lodge. Arvo comments that this wolf's silhouette is familiar. Dan then acknowledges he has already met Klaus - it was him in the woods in the part of the Klaus event that was real. That's what I'm talking about. What are you talking about?
yes, i know this peace. but again I'm talking about the other one, deeper into the Klaus route
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you see Klaus getting into the woods right after supper and decide to run after him. after clearing some of the misunderstandings you arrive at the meadow, to an old grave (with a plate "i walk with a ghosts"). later you can choose to stay at Klaus' instead and if you do become obsessed with him, really. Later you
visit Dan with Klaus and he suggests performing some kind of a ritual with evocations in a low deep voice. Klaus wants there to be something beyond our realm so he strives to find it everywhere, this time through low frequencies of sound and our company in a cabin in the woods. he believes he can raise a curtain of this world and find something else, maybe he can even draw ghosts nearby and communicate with them. So during this unfamiliar experience Arvo starts to lose his mind, seeing things
that's what I'm talking about
and there is an option panel, but i have only one choice
so i wondered whether there is another one that i don't know how to create
Okay, what is this? Are you... making fun of me? There isn't a Klaus route, just one event. To pick a route you pick a character at the end of day 1 and he isn't a choice. You simply don't see him outside of breakfast and his one event on day 1.
To my knowledge, there's never an option to follow him again in any of the actual routes, though I can vaguely remember him going into the woods again being mentioned in passing in someone else's route.
Also the screenshot you've shown is missing half the buttons at the bottom. What is this? Some ancient Halloween version?
i went through every route and I didnt see this?!
Right? It's a derailment route, which means you must start a different route and then switch to this one.
To get it...
1. Get a coat on day 1(either talk to Rune before losing the key, or ask Devon for help when you lost it)
2. Do the Klaus event when given chance on the first day. Make sure you talk to him and follow him all the way into the woods.
3. After that follow...
3.a) the Bjorn route, in which case just wait till you get a chance to chase after Klaus into the woods again.
3.b) the Devon route, in which case don't help him with telescopes and talk to Klaus in the cafeteria.
"neutral mino hotel" and "the asterioplane over the sea"
I see what you did there
I fucking love Devon. (Is there a love rout for him like the others?)
Yes
thank goodness
Arvo and Mikko will have a good ending? Like, together? :(
Well, the author was willing to put in not one, not two, but three intermediate Mikko endings into the game by this point. So it's safe to say there very well might be a universally good ending for them in the final game in a couple of years - Dawn Chorus receives monthly updates for one or two characters at a time, usually moving the plot a day forward for them.
In the meantime, you can read through the comments here for guidance on getting the bad, and the worst intermediate Mikko endings, just to not feel as bad about the ending you've got.
Also, other characters are very well worth your attention as well. But do be warned - the Torulf route is pretty heavy, while the Lake route is absolutely the lightest one. I really recommend playing the Lake route last just to walk away from the game with a positive impression.
Oh wow, what a complete answer, thank you lot!I will play Lake's route and keep in touch with the other characters, again thank you a lot and marry christmas!
How do I not sleep on day one for Torulfs route?
I'm very self-conscious, so don't be too vicious, okay? Also, no hate toward the creator or anything.
IF YOU PLAYED THE GAME, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND NOT FOR NEWCOMERS.
It doesn't really contain spoilers, I think.
I deleted my previous post because it was too much, so now I'm just going to sum it up. All the characters are very problematic and are hiding major things, and after falling mostly in love with Arvo, they decide to tell him, for example, Lake, in the shower. I don't know if I'm just dull, but I did not expect what they said. Also, please explain to me how I'm wrong, and this isn't me being sarcastic; I'm just curious about others opinions.
Like Seriously, someone give me a reason to continue playing this game cause I really like it but it just got to be too much for my personal taste like I was shocked to many times.
See, this is why the game warns you it's not for children.
Are you trying to say I'm a kid because I'm not sure what gave you that impression, and if you say it's my username, that's not a good enough reason? Actually, I see what gave you that impression now that I'm reading what I wrote, but I'm still not a kid.
is there something wrong with everything going in a game not like how you expected it to go? i think it's cool to be surprised about other characters
Im very curious about mikkos route. Played it and well,, i liked it but if my guts are correct, there wont be a happy ending for them ?
No there will be, if I recall correctly, but the whole route focuses on the idea of entropy and connection. The outcome of the relationship is wholly dependent on the amount of energy arvo puts in to fixing it.
Right now we are in the rising action of the story heading towards the climax, so it only stands to reason that things arent the best. It's like puberty... It's gotta get worse before it can get better.
We're on day 3 out of 7 and updates keep coming, of course there will be more. As long as there's financial support to the project, that is :p
What comes to the plot...
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I have a feeling it will be about embracing change and living in the present. Their old relationship is finally dead, so they can figure each other out anew and get together as adults.
I'm making a bet we will see Mikko burning at least one of his stupid journals - his obsession with them makes them a perfect Chekhov's gun. He said he didn't bring any physical ones with him but he often lies with a straight face, so ;P
Also I am extremely curious to learn more about his relationship with Joonas. I'll go ahead and make another bet that it fell apart simply because Joonas wasn't Arvo. >:3
Nice theatre reference. I approve.
are you sure about it being Day 3 out of 7? pretty sure it's 5 total, hence why Keo talks about being over 50% from time to time
Obviously Keo knows better, but isn't it said in the game the science camp is supposed to be a week long?
Thank you. Im looking forward to it :)
I keep going to play Mikko's route again, and then end up getting sidetracked by Bjørn. I just love him so much. 👏🥺
I'll probably get downvoted, but I don't like Bjorn's route. It's clearly underdeveloped - it's almost entirely linear and has Arvo acting on his own without your input.
Also I just don't feel the chemistry between the two.
It's like... Bjorn is just being sad and barely saying anything, and Arvo's like "Omg omg omg, a bear! I want to cuddle him! I'm so horny!". Seriously, everyone else in every route has a game on. Bjorn does not, but Arvo is falling head over heels for him, it feels weird to me.
Bjorn needs a friend, not a fuckmate, what are you doing, Arvo? :\
I guess I understand what you're saying, but I'm not sure I agree with it. Obviously you're entitled to your opinion, and I find it an interesting perspective nonetheless.
I like Bjørn. I find him compelling because he reminds me of a lot of people I've met in my own life. His struggles with responsibility and desire, I think are rather relatable to, at least where I'm from, the general culture surrounding ones dreams and aspirations.
I disagree that they don't have any chemistry. Bjørn is a creative individual, a dreamer, an artist just like Arvo, but his creativity is being stiffled by his depression, his fear of failure, and of course his feelings of responsibility and obligation to his parents and to their future. He believes, in some respect, that he must earn the life that they gave him a chance at by achieving something great. He's drowning in the never-ending problem he's trying to face because he's not cut out for the field he believes would make his parents happy. Bashing his head against a brick wall, expecting it to break instead of finding another path out.
Arvo is also a dreamer and an artist. He desires to capture the beauty in the world around him, and because of his different upbringing from that of the bear, he holds the belief that he can achieve his dreams, but is stiffled by his fears of not being good enough. Stifled by his fears of messing up. Stifled by his fears of mediocrity. We see examples of this in a lot of different routes, but in this route we see a specific example in his conversation with Guðrun about photography where he admits to himself that he's lost the meaning of photography that he was originally striving for.
I think when Arvo looks at Bjørn, in some respect, he sees himself. In addition to that, Bjørn, just like Arvo, is extremely lonely. The whole route is focused on the idea of inhibitions, what they are, what they mean, and finding a balance between responsibility to others and to yourself.
So... Yeah... Sorry for the essay.
Nono, that's why I'm here!
But I don't really see how any of the things you've mentioned could be a basis for the extremely rapidly blooming romance of this route, when none of them were portrayed or used in this manner. They were good reasons to become friends though.
I think the chemistry you're seeing in this route is actually entirely inside your head this time(and maybe you and the author are on the same wavelength about this) - to me it's obvious the plot is missing some key developments between "we're chatting about studying" and "we're cuddling half-naked under a blanket".
Though I don't know what we're even arguing about here, the route is literally underdeveloped, you can't even derail it if you try, and I tried.
It has my favorite interaction with Lake though! Jealous Lake! Or maybe I'm the one reading too deep into it this time.
After the game night, regardless of whether you visited it or not, you won't be present for the power outage. So at the supper Lake goes: "too bad we didn't have you there :C I have to talk you into staying with us next time. So what did you do?" - "Stayed with Bjorn". Lake, without moving a face muscle, looks up at Bjorn, who has been towering over them like the Eye of Sauron the entire time: "Oh hi, Bjorn, didn't see you there." xD Yeah, right. And then Lake's like "Oh well, gotta go!" and skedaddles to avoid drilling a hole in Bjorn with a jealous look. He's such a sweet idiot, I wish there were options to derail other routes for Lake :3
Oh, I don't think we are arguing. In fact, I do agree that it develops rather quickly—when I first played the route, I was surprised at the speed at which they connected—and I can see what you're saying in regards to being underdeveloped.
There are even inconsistencies with plot points and exposition as well. Maybe the author just hasn't had time to do a clean up like he's done for other routes in the past.
I suppose I came off as though I thought it was a perfect route, but it isn't and that wasn't my intent.
Nono, I didn't mean it like fighting-arguing, more like discussing-arguing. People sometimes forget the word "arguing" comes from the word "argument", and think of it as screaming at each other in futile rage - that's not the meaning I intended :p
You have been a very nice companion to discuss this VN with, I very much enjoy your company and opinions and hope we will get to keep discussing it all the way to its full release =)
for me it was weird that whether you romance him or befriend him comes from a choice to drink or not to drink, and if you drink you automatically suck him off later that night. but if you don't drink there is basically no romance, just two friends hugging in an underwear, providing physical touch to each other which is great
i still like this route personally
Agreed on all accounts. Here's hoping we get a general touch up at some point soon. Its still one of my favorite routes though.
sometimes it just works out that way, very realistic fr fr
Okay, I feel genuinely singled out here. I am an aspiring musician who reads and practices a ton philosophy, works out a lot and enjoys working myself half to death (sometimes). Rune's route is one I really connect with on a personal level. Lake is perfect, but Rune is literally me.
By the way (if it's no bother to you), could you tell me what you mean by life being 'linear'? That's the kind of stuff I like to sit, think and have an existential crisis about sometimes.
Thank you for making! 5 stars from me.
Yeah, this author has a real penchant for creating very realistic characters that remind players of real people. Though you might be the first one to admit one of the characters is literally you.
Also, I haven't seen the author reply here, but you can start talking about things you found interesting and someone surely will join. Which route was that stuff about the linearity of life in? Rune's?
In Rune’s we mention it while on the roof with him. Also in Mikko’s route he mentions how ‘non linear’ his life feels. I’m guessing he’s saying that he feels as though he’s defied any kind of predestination in his life, but I could be mistaken.
Right, so, in Rune's roof scene Arvo is thinking about non-linearity in a whimsical way that isn't supposed to make much sense, I think - he's just experiencing a case of deja-vu, feeling the same way he did long time ago, that sense of inspired hope for the future and closeness to someone he mutually appreciates, as if the life looped back on itself and the same moment happened twice.
And... I don't quite remember what Mikko said about non-linearity. Could you remind me when he said it so I can double-check?
It was Arvo both times. He just said kinda the same thing to Mikko as he did to Rune. You might be right, he could be talking about the purpose and meaning of memories in our lives; timelines folding in on themselves as our minds bring up the events of moments passed in the present, affecting our current actions and thoughts, though the moments themselves are gone forever. That's quite cool to think about actually.
I personally love Lake's bursts of philosophically fatalistic mood. "You can suddenly just die, everything you have can be lost", and I'm like: "I just had supper, who starts a conversation like this?
Poor Rune. I wish he had it better
I hope this is still in development this is great storytelling I just wish Torulf wasn't such a ASSHOLE but maybe he will become a better person.
edit: I also hope Mikko gets a true happy ending
(fersona 4 xd)
Is that a persona reference!?
couldn't agree much more
i need more mikko PLEASE
The text of this is truly beautiful QQ
The plot is also fantastic and intricate.
Want to know more about Torulf's past😃
less torluf would be better
Torulf is a horrible person, and that's how it's supposed to be. I'll put the rest under a spoiler.
His route is an exploration of the complicated topic of abuse that young people are often subjected to and how internalized and normalized this has become in our society. It just wouldn't work if he was a genuinely good person and Arvo was freaking out over nothing.
I understand the topic is heavy and not at all enjoyable, which is probably not what you were looking for in a visual ovel. I have some complicated feelings about it too. But please try to understand that the Torulf route is the most nuanced and complicated one in the entire VN and there's a reason why people want more of it.
Also, you don't need to hate on it, after the next update, you won't see another Torulf update for more than half a year.
Then again, it's pretty obvious he is going to play some role in other routes. Probably not one as dramatic, but still.
Didnt mean to hate y`k Just meant to say that Imo less torluf would be better
Agreed
I CAN FIX HIM
Wait can I play it on iOS or ipad
yeah just downloaded the Ios one.
Ty