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I wish my gf showed me as much as love as this dev has shown this game

@jjhonston I specifically made an itchio account for the first time just to thank you for making an absolute masterpiece. I wish there was a way to let devs know that there's a market for handcrafting such experiences. Do you have a youtube channel or something? I feel like you're super good at game design and charming storytelling. I'd love to hear your thoughts on a channel, something like razbuten or joseph anderson. Just use AI voice or whatever if you're worried about privacy.

But yeah, this is like a once in a lifetime game, those you can never play again.

Time for the Constructive criticism part:

1. I thought there'd also be a chance to guess who the person who hired me was. It'd be nice if i could like select 3 possible people who i think it was, and i can check if i got it right. 

2. It is absolutely not clear to me that the list of names i have is a resource that can be used. Even though you set up a tab for it, there doesn't seem to be a reason that the detective would have a list of random names. And that is the reason that i avoided using it until i got very stuck. And when i did use it, it felt like i was "gaming the system".  Only later on discord, i found out that it is necessary to find many of the wives. So i think it should at least be made very clear that your benefactor has given you this list (maybe it can be given to you mid game?) and it IS TO BE USED for solving. 

But honestly, it would be way better to pick up breadcrumbs and arrive at their names, instead of a magical list being at your footsteps. When i played without using it, the game felt so much more natural.

3. A similar issue exists with the structure of the tree being given to you. This i suppose probably isn't an intended mechanic, but can definitely be used to "game the system". I suppose there should be a difficulty checkbox in settings that can be added, which hides the connection between two people (so if someone got divorced in the story, it's easy to see it's one of the people in the tree that are divorced). And also there can be some extra "children" or "spouse" slots, that are supposed to be confirmed as empty and non existent. This way, a player can't use the tree structure to see that "oh X had 2 kids? well it can't be this this and this because they only have 1 kid". 

It wouldn't have to make the game difficult because it's a setting that you can turn off. But currently, i hated how I could basically guess who X spot person was, but didn't know if i was gaming the system and kept looking for further evidence to confirm what i find before filling it in.

4. I didn't find the periodical in the tutorial. I feel like, the player can be guided towards that more, though maybe i'm just dumb. (Also, i kept waiting to find the legal periodical, with how many legal cases i kept finding. That'd be a nice addition.)

5. A lot of the details are guesstimates, where you really just guess that particular detail, but i assume you already intend to make those more deducible facts over time.

6. The game needs more red herrings. Like making you think that X's husband is Y because an article says they were dating or engaged, but later turns out, they broke up and married someone else. That kinda bait stuff.

7. In the long future, or a sequel if you ever plan it, a timeline system would be nice. Either for the notes, or for the tree requirement, or something similar. 

(Also, for the love of god, please make Home and End key work per line in the notes)

Spoiler marked constructive criticism, so do not read beyond if you haven't finished:

1.  Example of not using the names list limiting the experience of the game- I didn't find EJ's past because i never found her full name when i saw the article.  When i read the article that mentions her checkered past, i thought i don't know her full name, so i didnt search her up. Later i forgot about it.  So i ended up never finding it. I think EJ should have at least 1 more mention somewhere else.

2. In fact, the whole MR part of the family felt so underexplored. It seemed super interesting to me, yet felt like there was so little stuff on it, compared to so much drama and stuff to read on the other parts of the family. 

3. N's mom being AQ was just annoying to find out. But maybe others enjoyed it ig. I found it antithetical to everything else being based on realistic deduction, and this one you're supposed to solve as a joke.

3. LR's brothers, the 2 for whom you have to guess which is which, that also felt like guesswork. I know that one is supposed to look younger, but i just thought he is short. And just guessing because he's shorter, felt like it cheapened the game.

4. There were other issues, but those were my fault. But these issues didn't feel fair like the others. These felt like i was not told what i'm supposed to do, so i kept high expectations,  and was then disappointed. I'd rather just be told to do some guesswork or use the list.

Regardless, an absolutely amazing game. Easily one of the best I've ever played. Thank you for this.

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I do want to address that based on the design of the game, there are people you can't solve without the list and the tree structure. It think it would be a very different feeling game that would need many more clues without those aspects, it's not a setting I could just enable.

I could have made it clearer that the list you have came from the person that hired you, but it seemed to waste precious time during the tutorial and story which is already pretty text heavy.

On the bright side, I just spent an hour frantically googling and hacking together home and end functionality into the notes. It will hopefully be coming in an update pretty soon.

Hey, I appreciate the prompt attention to feedback. I'll be sure to definitely make any friends play this who i think would be interested. Hopefully you find the optimum build for the game you dreamt of :D

Ok now that I'm done with this, is there anywhere i can find a walkthrough for harm charm, level 5? I've spent hours trying what i think is every possible combination, but i cant seem to get it. I'm at the point that i was starting to teach Bard the various components of this game and hopefully it might work out an answer, but that is taking wayyyy longer than i thought. So any walkthroughs or something?

Thanks for everything!

It's really tricky because its the only level where you need to purposely call upon the dark art. The sequence is: Block rain fire block sap fire block block fire

Thanks a lot, I'm gonna go **** myself now. How did i not try something so simple (my best guess is that i kept assuming shielded damage becomes 30 not 20).

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Wow! That was excellent. Incredible work.  One of my favorite games I’ve played in a long time. 

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this is such a treasure! I cannot get over how well made and detailed this is I've been recommending it to anyone who will listen, excellent job!

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Just finished the game. Iv been working through it in spare time over the past few weeks and oh my god this is a MASTERPIECE. I have always been interested in things like this and it was absolutely facinating and so fun! Will def by sharing the game with anyone who will listen, LOVED this experience! Great job devs! Hoping for similar games in the future! :)

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i got so stuck i started going back and putting anything in quotes in the search bar and got this which fucking killed me thanks for bothering to make the stupidest of searches worth it

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Is that perhaps related to the Legendary Turbo Encabulator?
(Not talking about the game anymore, but the meme)

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This is obsessively fun for me.

I only got ridiculously stuck because I missed an entire ad campaign, but once I had that, it all fell into place.  I was right about the ending too.

Thank you for making such a fun game!

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Red herring... Nice lol

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for ai art im shocked at how consistent everything is. i was able to correctly differentiate the cousins and sisters on the second album cover because of how jim and diamond looked on the first

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learn to draw lmao

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hey jjjhonston just wondering if this game might be uploaded somewhere other than itch.io in the future, since itch is a pretty niche platform(compared to others) and this game is *wildly* underrated. if this where on somehere like steam i know it would garner so much more attention

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The game cannot be uploaded to Steam, due to its reliance on AI art.

So for me, releasing it for free on itchio was the option that made the most sense. I do have an exe version I give out on the discord for people that want a local copy, but generally, I plan to leave it here and playable in browser for as long as I am able.

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well then the only option i have is to thank you wholeheartedly for making this. i will follow your future work!

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This was a treat to play. It was fun and kept me invested in the story, and was also genuinely challenging. Did not anticipate that twist ending at all, though I guessed who the employer was. Some of the occupations I had to guess, but overall this was an incredible experience. I would pay money for this.

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this may have been my favorite game of 2023

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Help! The game froze after finding 9 blood relatives! I can tap the settings and it works but everything else is frozen!

I believe this may be caused by an adblocker or some other software that is preventing the game from running properly. I have been unable to reproduce this in the offline version of the game, and when it happens online people have mentioned that their browser console is spamming messages about elements being blocked.

I can get anyone with this problem an .exe version of the game, just follow the discord link in the main menu/settings menu.

I had the same issue (in firefox) and solved it by saving and quitting via the settings, then reloading the tab and quickly opening the notebook before the scene changed to the doorway+figure. It progressed from 6/9 to 9/18 relatives, and let me keep playing the game as usual. 

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This was so much fun. Thank you for this.

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This game was SO fascinating and scratched the itch in my brain perfectly. I work at a library and I'm totally sharing this with my coworkers. Love the genealogy aspect! I also accidentally stayed up until 3am playing this before remembering that I have a real job. Lmao. Seriously incredible work on this, I can't imagine how much time it must have taken to set all this up. Thanks for making it!

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loved it ! spent 5 hours holed up playing from start to finish lol

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A rather fun little experience, although I somehow ended up missing one of the magazines and an interview that would've made some things a lot easier on me!

I did figure out the secret and I also found the thing (took until my second reading of the entry to realize why nothing in there was cropping up in the in-game search engine!)

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Is there a way to download this and play it offline? Or at least a way to save it to a file? I just lost all my progress because the save didn't work.

People on the discord can get you an executable version of the game.

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May I ask what the Discord channel/link is? I'd also like to download it, but I don't know which Discord to go to.

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Sure, sorry that was unclear. The main menu of the game has a link that takes you straight to the game's discord. You can also find it in the settings menu.

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where the heck is rhose roottree's name

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I couldnt find it either.

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During the beginning of the game, when you do a search directly for Rhose Roottree there is a hint that will put you on the right path to finding her name.

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help where TT

It says to find more information about people search for the brands and products surrounding them. That's the hint that can help you find her.

Hint: Rhose is not her birth name, look up the companies that she involve in. Hope that help<33

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i cant see what companies iufgyvefeir

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This is amazing!! I love deduction games, especially where you have to look up different sources to find answers, and this knocked it out of the park!! 5 stars!! I could tell who the people in the secret locked area were, I just had to find out the last one's name! And it felt amazing when I found it out!! This was so satisfying to complete and I loved every second of it!! :D The only difficulty I would say is figuring out the pictures at some parts, but even then, it's still very satisfying when you get them correct! Love this game!!

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great game, but the pictures are so hard to associate with people. i had to brute force caroline morden becuase i had no idea how she looked like

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This was an unbelievably amazing experience and I am blown away.

I also undid the secret partially by accident. I thought that (whisper whisper) instead of (whisper whisper), but the game counted it as a win.

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Loved this. Wish the save system worked better or was more clear (I saved then closed the tab, then came back to the URL and i couldn't load anything, it started from the start, but anyway)

The story gripped me, I went into full Charlie Kelly mode,  linking threads between seemingly unrelated ideas, going "AHA!" when i was right.

Good game. Very good game. Thank you, Johnstons.

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sheeeit i was totally into this but then i accidentally deleted my notes and now i'm deflated

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If you come to the discord I won't be able to help you get your notes back, but I can get you an executable version of the game if it would prevent that from happening again if you'd like.

You can use CTRL+Z to undo your last action; I've deleted my notes an embarrassing number of times, but it's recoverable as long as you don't start typing again after

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I haven't completed this yet, maybe 30% through? But this is such a cool game. Everything is so well thought out and it's a great challenge. I'm losing my marbles

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Skillful fusion between Lucas Pope and Sam Barlow, combined with the theme of genealogy: this game was made for me. I have finally found my Game of the Year for 2023. I made a $20 donation as a token of gratitude for all the happiness you gave me with your game!

PS: Another good point, the game is fully playable for a french player with moderate english knowledge.

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Such a great game. If I wasn't a broke student I'd 100% give you money for it because I had so much darn fun !!!

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I just reloaded the tab and lost all my progress. I don't really feel like playing the entire game again, so I guess I'll just have to wait until someone uploads a complete playthrough.

Before that happened, I was thoroughly stumped on the last 4 portraits. I had checked literally every possible lead, and nothing. I feel like the only way to find them is through brute-forcing. Either that or I missed 1 incredibly missable word in one of the articles.

That being said, it was a solid game. 7/10.

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If you'd like to come to the discord I can try to catch you back up to where you were before, and also help you with the last four. Up to you.

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Not even close to being finished with this yet, but I've sent a fiver your way anyway. This is wonderful.

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This was INCREDIBLY FUN! Thank you so much for the hours of free entertainment this gave me, I loved every single discovery I made and never used walkthroughs, which is rare for me!

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I can't imagine the amount of work that must've gone into making this game. The mechanic of filling out spots on the family tree gives a good goal for the player, which I've found lacking in other research/conspiracy games previously. The intuition chart was also a great help for the back half of the game once you stop getting as much new info. A great way to end out the year!

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I had so much fun, thank you for this! This has been a ray of light in these very trying times. Now I kind of wish to know more about the so-called Roottree curse :0

The Roottree curse theory says that Roottrees who run the candy company are cursed to die. it's fucking stupid.

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One of the best games of 2023. What a ride!

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Great stuff loved this. Just a bit annoyed since I got all the way to the end and forgot to put down 1 picture so I had to go back to the title but that's my fault. Just some other nitpicks...

Wish I could have heard those other music pieces in rotation or option to just loop a certain choice

The text on the search engines would bug sometimes if I swapped between them too fast and become illegible gibberish but swapping back fixes it.

Zooming in and out of the tree would sometimes not work unless you used your mouse to drag a smidge on the tree first.

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Rollin on down to the city is such a bop

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wonderful. quite wonderful. nice story, a really balanced level of difficulty and sooo much effort in the clues, texts, sources, music pieces etc. etc. ... and the somewhat 'historical accuracy' regarding the story, the photos, names, ...

In terms of feeling-like-a-real-detective I might have gotten rid of the intuition chart, but I have to admit that it helped me a lot in the end.

Stole a lot of my time, but I instantly wish for more of this.

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This game was soooo great! The clues are set up well enough that even when you're stuck, it doesn't feel unfair, just like you have to look over all of the information again.  The sheer amount of effort and planning everything must have taken is pretty incredible.

I'm glad all my iteration on the story paid off! The story evolved a lot, and each time it did a few more connections began to take shape.

Thanks for playing!

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a person recommended me this game and I proceeded to spend any free time I had playing this for the next few days, if this game was on steam I would gladly pay for it!

Thank you!

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Really enjoying it so far, definitely my style of game. My BFF recommended me to play it.  Never played a in-browser game in itch.io before. I'm at 45/49 and a day in. I'm so stuck to find 2 last photos. Literally 2. I've gone through everything twice but maybe I'm missing something. I recommend using copy/paste. For a while there, I kept getting no results because I spelled theatRE as theaTER. That was embarrassing. Hopefully, I can figure it out.  I have had  great time playing thus far. 

I hope you managed to find the final 2! If you need any hints feel free to drop by the discord.

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This is an incredible game! I found it when searching for games like The Case of the Golden Idol and Return of the Obra Dinn and was not disappointed. I hope I find more games that "scratch this itch"

Glad it helped you in that regard. Thanks for playing!

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