(this is a response to both messages first thanks for telling me about the title thing but I will still use it just to help simplify things and this next bit is a response to Head####)((I don't say the whole name just in case he decides later he doesn't want anymore things to do with this and if he wishes to delete his comment)) ok but then god lied because he didn't create Satan and Satan was a being that existed in the world and was something so there for when god inspired mankind to write the bible and say that God created everything god was using his inspiration to lie to us so therefore he sinned and also ask yourself then who actually caused Satan's existence in this world because if that was something god created then that would mean that God still knew that that something would cause Satan to exist in this world so it is an important question to ask did god create what caused Satan to begin his existence in this world or did Satan apear from no where and did God have any opportunities to stop Satan from doing what Satan did