Well anyways Don. Overall I'm still happy you are trying to keep the Girls' body types as diverse possible. You actually listened to me and for the most part delivered on what you promised. Amazing work and I'm so happy to see the results. As someone dabbling in AI as well, I know it can take a long time to get the images just right, plus you sometimes need to use photoshop to paint and edit on extra parts that the AI model screws up. So don't listen to the critics diminishing your work because it's AI. I think you and your team are doing a great job. If I can humbly request another thing for you to consider? Make sure that Aline has a distinct look compared to all the other girls: Jade's leaner, bottom heavy look, Stella's wide bulky look, and Gina's all-rounder bodybuilder look. Aline should have some kind of very distinct muscular appearance compared to the rest of them in my opinion. I think you should Google a specific body type and decide. Maybe a swimmer's body? MMA? Wrestling?
Thanks. It's really a lot of work in post-editing on PS :D
As for Aline: I gave control over her to one of my co-authors. She was Morlas' favourite char and he has been taking good care of her since then. So unless anything he writes contradicts with my story at large, he has pretty much free reign. So probably Aline's body type will be pretty balanced overall.
Would you be willing to at least step in a little bit and relay my message to your co-author in charge of Aline about keeping her muscular body type distinct/diverse compared to the other girls?
So after downloading 4.1.6, it says that my save from 4.1.5 (where I had to restart anyway) was now an old, unsupported one. does this mean that I will have to start over every update? absolutely loving the game so far and can't wait for more but not being able to use the same saves is rough.
Sadly many variables are getting changed over the updates. Since the 4.1.6 is mostly bug fixes, the old saves could work. But you might encounter certain bugs in combat since a lot of the variable structure is saved in the save-file.
As with the last skip-function we plan to add additional check-points in the future if save-game compatibility cannot be achieved.
I know this is probably too much work and you don't have to go this far but just regarding the consistency on the image sets for each stage of jade, I think your image sets are great for Jade_2 and Jade_3. When you get to Jade_4, I think the main issue is that she loses too much roundness to her face and her model looks a little too tall. So it looks like she aged 4-5 years from jade_3 to Jade_4. I know you're ridiculously swamped at the moment but if your team ever has time to tweak this I'd sincerely appreciate it.
Gotta see, I'm not unhappy with the Lvl-4 set. So I feel like currently I have more important image work ahead of me in regards to the Stella arc. We gotta finish the images there, as the writing is nearing its completion.
Yeah I just think some more roundness to the face at lvl 4 would help keep her looking cuter. Since she's your "innocent pure hearted character" and her face elongates a bit. But it's fine. Seems like you don't have time so it is what it is. I will always support you regardless of my own opinions.
Jade looking down on Gina would be kinda funny 😂 But her height is intended . And since Gina probably gets her height growth on reaching Lvl 5, my main girls are back in their proper height order then :D
Can't wait to see your default characters side by side like I edited here. I'm not sure how accurate this is but I lined them up and unless Jade shrinks down a bit more, her model at max size is taller than Gina. But shorter than Stella.
However, Gina and Jade are the same height if Jade is one size smaller. So lvl 3 jade = lvl 4 Gina in height. But lvl 4 Jade actually gets taller than lvl 4 Gina since Gina doesn't get taller. It's also crazy how drastically shorter Jade's old model looks in comparison. In conclusion, I think for now at least at the end of the Xici's lab arc Jade should end around lvl 3 vs lvl 4. Or somewhere in between like lvl 3.5 or something. Would be awkward to see her taller than Gina.
So how does Jade's current strength match up with Enzi at her peak? About the same now? What about with or without her pills? It's very hard to tier Enzi because he's got a smaller frame at least compared to some of the beefier looking characters but is extremely fast and he's mentioned that he purposely doesn't train for mass but for speed.
Makes sense. And it would take even longer to go against her Grandfather because as we know in Anime land, Old men are always the strongest. Also Besting Enzi right now would completely trivialize the power scaling in your universe. I like that there's legit power scaling in Burlingfort. Unlike other FMG games, you are actually fleshing out the growth and progression of your girls.
stats_skill_learned[1] == 1 and stella_strength_level == 3 and day.current > 71 and "town_event_1_completed" in topics_gina
Meaning you need the "Ginspy Roll" learned from Jade (dialogue at dojo), you need to have seen the Mike x Stella scene (dialogue with Mike or happens a week after delivering the potion automatically) and you need to have seen the Jade x Aline training events ( event-chain needs both finding an exploration event and doing a training with Aline on Gina - Strength_Level 4)
Unless the initial event hasn't started? You need either the potion set or the used set (aka. Transfer-Potion) in your inventory and visit her at the brothel.
I just saw an old trigger that may cause a problem. Can you try to click the potion set in your inventory and then revisit Stella? Cause the old trigger might cause a bug while the whole potion set in owned, but if it's used once and only the transfer-potion remains, then it should trigger Stella's growth event properly.
So Don, if we were to do a size chart right now. In terms of pure muscle mass among the main cast, would this ranking be fair? What is your canon ranking at moment more or less? I'm doing this just based on the AI models I see. I keep forgetting if Stella is bigger than Gina atm or if Akari is bigger than Stella etc.
So in terms of total muscle mass I would say:
1) Tanya
2) Greg
3) Stella
4) Akari tied with Jonathan
6) Gina tied with Enzi tied with Jade after Jade takes 2 pills
7) Base Jade after pills wear off (possibly tied with Enzi here?)
8) Xici
9) Aline
11) Mike tied with Philip (AKA dollar store Tuxedo Mask)
What would you say is the correct ranking atm? Hard for me to gauge jade's new size as it's a bit difficult for me to figure out how tall she is before she takes her pills vs after.
I really just love the mysterious Jonathan. He's such a suave mood and so strong. Please don't ever weaken him or have Stella steal his strength or something. I love my muscle girls but guys need their time to shine too! <3
Dear Don. You have an excellent project, the best among all FMG content! I've seen how your acting and images have evolved and it's very impressive. I also enjoyed the clever interactions between the characters' alter egos and the player. I would like to wish you good luck in the development of GinasGym! I'm looking forward to the dramatic ending to the story!
And a bit more. I'm surprised that Stella's muscle growth has caused so much controversy. Personally, I think that as long as the girls are growing, everything is going right))) Moreover, I am sure that such rapid and unnatural growth will certainly have consequences at the most inconvenient moment. Also, I really liked that Xici got some development and is not a flat character. (I also looked at the images and found a shaman version of her, which surprised and interested me)
also want to see Xici's sibling lab assistants both grow a bit eventually. Xici's clearly a bit insecure about feeling powerless and it's funny. So to see her two lab Doctors start to test pills on themselves would be hilarious since Xici would obviously boil over. Like a little angry rabbit.
When we finally see Jade next to Stella and Gina though, I'm still expecting Jade to have the smaller upper body, but a lower body that rivals both of them. Are you still going with this design overall?
So it's not quite clear given the text descriptions, but since Jade's white shirt rides up her torso to expose her abs after she takes her two pills does she actually just grow several inches taller after her dosage, but then shrinks back down afterwards?
Feedback-wise, I really liked the overall design you went with in all the Jade images: bottom heavy, thick strong thighs/legs and muscular core with shredded but still slimmer arms and shoulders compared to Gina and Stella. The only image I felt looked really inconsistent was the pull-up image where I think I think her upper body looks a bit too enormous.
Jade grew a few inches, but it's also her muscles and breasts pulling up the shirt a bit. That was intentional. We even had to inpaint those nice abs 😋
Also, who said Xici might be the main villain? 😅After so many alternatives were introduced in the current update.
Yeah, The only image I felt looked really inconsistent was the pull-up image where I think I think her upper body looks a bit too huge compared to how she looks in the base model for Jade_4. But then it's AI and can't be perfect plus Jade is always growing then shrinking back down while keeping a % of her gains.
then don't play the game. Stella is going through this in order to progress the story thats how the Don has it planned out so that's how its going to be.
Was mostly legitimate critique. I'd like to give more choice to the players, but the events unfolding because of that event with Stella reach so far into the future, that I would have needed to write two separate games if I didn't enforce it. 😅
i also dont like that there is no alternative way to deal with it. We need stella to become stronger but we already now that Ulric is still somewhere in the city and we cant try to find Dr that we talked about in cafe, he is opposing mafia so it can be a good way. Also we have magic store where could be an option to ask for a magic for stella for a price of 5-7k. I dont like that we are forced to give transfer potion to Stella, it also feels weird because Gina doesnt like the idea of using the potion herself and think it is extremely wrong to steal someone else hard work. And then she just gives that potion to stella after only few workouts with her. It feels completely out of character with plenty of other options that Gina knows about. If it is because we need an excuse to get rid of the potion so Gina couldn't use it later on bad guys than it is strange that it was added in first place. I would be pretty ok with just weak unexpired potion that we still found, no need for transfer potion if it never was intended to use by mc.
I love character discussion :D Let me see if some context helps out here...
Gina has a bad conscience for withholding information and keeping secrets from her friends already. She trusts Stella, since both fight back to back for their life in the Streets and she knows, that by not helping Stella anyway she can, she puts Stella at risk. With Stella confronting her, Gina is suddenly pressured for time, afraid to lose her only ally. The Doctor is in hiding, the magic shop bought out and she can't share the shakes, so any other option is uncertain.
Gina doesn't like using the potion, but she also knows the user can't take away strength by force. Stella cannot steal, just getting gifted other people's strength. And Gina never expected Stella to use it with such an efficiency. She believed this would be a minor boost to get her started.
Also the main goal wasn't only to make Stella stronger, but most importantly to drive away Jade into Xici's arms.
Damn, I may or may not have deleted the old compiled versions already 😔I know, I have some horrible organisation. I'll see if I can recompile it using gits version control.
If not I'll release the public build of the current version a few days earlier and spare me the effort? 😅
Hey, just want to spread some encouragement because I see some negative comments below. This is the best FMG game I've played so far and you are crushing it. I saw the guy below complaining about Stella getting huge but when one dislikes another likes and I personally love the concept of the dominant bossy girl getting all the power.. I actually hold the unpopular opinon of wanting the dominant bossy girl to be the biggest so I loved this update. Thanks for your work!
Many thanks for the kind words. This makes my day :D
But don't you worry, I was well aware of the controversy Stella would create and I love how this development can be seen differently. I was actually more surprised on how many people liked Stella like this 😉
I've come around with it. I'm just super happy you actually listened to me regarding Jade.
I think what the game could really use though are a pair of muscular female and male villains. So far the main villains don't feel too threatening and the executioner just kind of seems like nothing more than an OP bodyguard.
I wanted to agree that the executioner feels awkward and maybe even incoherent in the story's current incarnation.
It doesn't even make sense for Gina to be so incredulous about how big her mom was in that old picture because by then she's already seen the walking fridge woman that gives no fucks and doesn't particularly care for her job or have any investment in what's going on.
Given what the game is themed on, having the largest character so far coming across as virtually an afterthought is an . . . interesting choice. It would be like casting Roger Federer in The Prince of Tennis as a towel boy.
I'm curious if it is planned for this to be the only way to progress the plot, or if alternative methods of moving things along with Stella and Jade will be included.
If not, I can see why people might be bummed not just because Stella gets mean, but the player's ONLY means of progressing the story is to cave and do something that seems legitimately pretty darn shady.
I think most of us are fine with Stella getting huge and bossy. The "controversy" comes more from her getting huge through "cheating with drain magic that Gina just hands to her for free" and kind of being lazy at the gym vs training hard like Gina or Jade. That being said, Don told me it was intentional to snowball the effect with the other girls so I respect the decision.
As for unpopular opinions, I actually like this FMG game more than any other because this is the only FMG game I've played where the muscle girls go toe to toe with super muscular men. Usually the guys are just average and weak in FMG games but having the girls needing to muscle up to go against huge guys, makes their achievements that much cooler for me.
Hi, event is in, but a bit tricky to find. You have to buy the potion set from Lucia and use it in your inventory. One potion will remain, which you can deliver to Stella at the brothel.
Great game with great potential, but for the absolute love of god could you rewrite the parts with all the freudian psychobabble?
I get that you have no ill-intents and it's just being played for funny (buxom) laughs, but the thing is so wrong, so disingenuous and has been so harmful that it's a bit like the characters were joking about eugenics. If I can explain.
Surely didn't try to offend anyone with that. While I am aware that many theories of Freud have been revised or disproven, those are still present in the minds of many people, thus making them easy to understand for a broader audience. And after 9 month of writing, this is the first time I hear about them being compared to jokes about eugenics, especially since I felt like I didn't touch the most problematic topics of Freud.
However considering how deeply Gina's fictional characters are interwoven into the story by now, changing that would require an incredible amount of time. Maybe we can take them for what they are intended; as Gina's own imagination based on an partly outdated model that she just happens to know? 😅
*I mean*, it doesn't seem particularly difficult to rewrite them just in the way of good angel, bad angel (stemming from her "conscience", "morality" or even just fancies or personality cores rather than some hot and sour potato).
Then of course you'll have other priorities.. but I just wanted to underline how this representing a good chunk of what folk psychology is, is exactly the problem. Putting aside the indirect effect of making it seems like psychology as a whole is play-pretend unscientific voodoo, those concepts and their friends have helped to legitimize trulyderangedshit. No offense taken or meant, but if we just let them finally die in silence we'd be in a better society.
That was an interesting read, thanks for sharing. Now I'd say lots of "good" things can be perverted in many ways, so not too surprising in the end. Still I would only attribute some of these deranged things to Freud loosely. I'm not too deep in the field, but from my understanding the idea of Freud was to move away from "unscientific voodoo", by analysing and naming core principals of how the mind works, thus founding and advancing the field of psychoanalysis (even if a lot of his stuff turned out to be wrong and represents a very outdated view on sexuality and genders).
Of course the best place to discuss the impact on Freud on the field of psychoanalysis and society in general is the comment section of a pervy FMG game 😂. I'd like too deepen this, but for the sake of absolute clarity, I kinda need those shoulder angels and devils in their respective forms for the coming story to make sense, so this would really be a lot of work rewriting them. And I'm drowning in work already 😑. So guess they'll have to remain as they are for now...
The guy was the unscientific voodoo actually, going from the "simple" mockery of people trying to look into his claims to straightup faking his reports. It's true that back in those days you had even more metaphysical theories of the mind (and any kind of "talk therapy" is better than none I guess?), but he kinda managed to pull the rug from most other legitimate clinical research after captivating the attention of the public opinion with his immediately bold and fancy claims. A wound that still hasn't completely healed today.
Then I'm sure people aren't checking their mental health with a game (and of course we are far from any particular apologism here), but conversely.. this is also how such concepts still linger and persist into folk psychology isn't it?
By all means, I wish all the best to the shoulder angels.
Also I really loved "The Kiss of Muscle Growth (Sandy-Path)" by ScriptBoy. The whole sibling appeal is the energy that comes with muscle growth FMG overriding your logical brain's forbidden or taboo warnings. Just like the whole Devil Gina and Angel Greg thing you have going on in Gina's Gym. Anything similar to that one that you can remember?
Your team is working with you well! Nice job on the Jade look! I really appreciate how you are going to extra mile to make every muscular evolution of the core group of girls look different and unique and not just carbon copy bulky amazons who have bodies that all look like clones of your generic female bodybuilder AI generation. I hope you do the same with Aline! This is basically how I thought Jade's "final form" more or less should look like. Smaller arms, but very "tight" and lean muscle on the arms. Torso is incredibly muscular and shredded but still less "hulky" than Stella or Gina. But large powerful legs meant for kicking since this entire time with Enzi and her time with Gina, she's been defined as a "kick chick" martial artist. Nice job not going overboard with her boobs as well. Her shoulders are a little too broad for me but the prompt looks close enough. Try to stay on course and keep her build "bottom heavy" overall. I still think a subplot over her training with Enzi to land the ultimate kick to satisfy both him and her grandfather would be awesome.
I'm so happy you're actually taking my advice. It means a lot to me. Looks great in Pic #2 and Pic #3. Arms are about the right size. Not too bulky, shredded, lean, built for speed!
I recommend her "final form" in the end should be "bottom heavy", with moderately muscular arms that are quite smaller than Stella's or Ginas but with curvy thick powerful looking legs and solid core torso with shredded abs. Jade is a kicking machine after all and less of a powerlifter like Stella or Gina. I really like this design direction so far based off of pics number 2 and 3! Superb! I really really love it! You and your team have done a fantastic job Don.
Hey Don? Just curious but I know you mentioned you like some muscle growth stories/games with FMG and brother/sister siblings. Which ones were you talking about?
I admit to NOTHING!!! My heart is pure as the fresh snow!!!
But a FRIEND OF MINE could have MAYBE recommended some weird stuff like "Lil' Sister Got SUPER-SIZED" by Gorgon or "The Kiss of Muscle Growth (Sandy-Path)" by ScriptBoy. There may have been some more, but those came to mind first 😅 Not looking specially for sibling-stuff, but I take no offense in it if the story is good.
[SPOILERS] i really feel like there should be an option to not give stella the potion cause her superiority complex just becomes too much after that, and it makes me not want to play the game. But aside from that this is a really good game and i actually really like the character and story.
also because i thought stella was being mean I decided not to take her to the streets of rage second boss but her dialog still played I dont know if thats a bug or not. (fyi it was my first time at the second boss)
You weren't supposed to like Stella's antics (although a lot of people strangely did😅expected some, but not this many...) But she gets a character arc in one of the next updates, which will push her story further. Maybe even giving Gina the option to take her down a peg or let the player choose a direction for her. But that's for later, next up is Jade/Xici.
Streets dialogue is a bug. Have to rework it, thanks for telling me.
[SPOILERS] (fyi this is just my opinion and you can do what ever you want with the future of your game, i am very excited to see where you take it.) BUT, ANTICS SHE ALMOST KILLED SOMEONE, and i could tell with every fiber of my being that giving her that potion was a bad idea, i spent a lot of time trying to find a way around giving her the potion, i though maybe i could just motivate her to work harder and stay positive. BUT NOOO, SHE SUCKS AT TRAINING COMPLAINS ABOUT IT AND I HAVE TO FIX IT, AND YES I KNOW IM JEALOUS ABOUT HER SURPASSING ME INSTANDLY. I WAS SOOO EXCITED TO SEE HOW I COULD USE THAT POTION TO MAKE GINA STRONGER. also i feel really bad for mike, he obviously worked really hard to get were he was and even though he does enjoy muscular girls it doesn't feel like this is how it should have gone. I think that adding a way to make stella grow naturally or with a small boost would be a lot better. (again i'd like to say that the game is great and i feel like these feel im having are a direct result of good characters and writing.)
[SPOILERS] Hehe! Love hearing feedback of any kind. I like to improve after all. And I find it charming that my characters can cause these kinds of emotions. (you are not alone in this 😏 My DMs on Discord were full of people wanting to discuss this)
But sorry, no way around her getting that potion.😅 I needed it for the story with Jade to happen after all, so Stella took one for the team by becoming this bitchy. No other girl would have gotten drunk on power like her and acted on her dominant side towards everyone she was jealous of.
But I'd say there was never any mortal danger for James. Just some scare tactics from our "little" prostitute, who can be very good at acting. Ok, she enjoyed it too 😆But she's not really evil! She wouldn't kill anyone!
Jade kinda has the power to turn every scene into a damn wholesome cuddle-party. I remember trying to write some perverted scenes with the nuns using her and see how that turned out. So currently I worry more about the integrity of my villains than about Jade 😂
Then again, I'm a "pesky mothaf-", so let's see how this plays out. 😈
Really anxious about your Jade muscle growth re-design considering the "preview files" i found in an older copy of your game's package contents, which kind of showed muscle Jade as basically looking more or less the same as Gina's body but with jade's face. I think the biggest issue I had was that it physically seemed to age up jade in mature ways that weren't really consistent with her "cute Sifu" type of vibe which I think you should still maintain at least appearance wise.
I'm still very much liking my idea for the new Jade to be primarily "leg focused" with a leaner upper body and also determined to someday land the ultimate kick which she will practice with Enzi a lot.
These old Files really are the bane of my existance 😅 If all goes by plan, you'll see Jade in all her new muscular glory in roughly 3 weeks.
We will try for a Focus on legs and core, while keeping shoulders and arms just slightly slimmer to keep a Part of her cute/girlish aesthetic. Of course her build has to look proportional to a degree, so still expect some mass on the upper body.
Yeah of course. Again, it's all about making each character look distinct. I mean look at Bayshore Academy one of your favorite FMG games of all time. Each character looks pretty different. Mia is generally smaller, shorter, and leaner relative to the other girls but still very muscular and has the most shredded body and relative to the Male MC she's still even with him in height and more muscular after her second growth spurt. Jessica is tall and has a large upper body but also has an enormous ass and huge legs. Elena is the biggest by far with both a huge upper and lower body and is very tall. Sophia has about the same muscle mass as Mia but huge boobs compared to everyone else. So yeah it pays off to have everyone look unique and distinct. I'm actually hoping that you will go the extra mile and make each muscular character look MORE distinct body-type wise compared to Bayshore academy. Fingers crossed!
Not sure.. I think I could use Paypal too on other Patreons. I could look into it, but for now just enjoy for free. Will only become relevant on the next update then.
Thank you! Honestly there are only four games on Patreon where I almost don't care about benefits and just want them to have my money. Yours is one of them. And btw yours is the only one with AI art.
In that case I'm very lucky, cause my benefits are honestly terrible 😅Not like I don't have any lofty ideas, but I always end up rather working on the game directly than making anything special for patreon.
Pretty much was like this till now. But since the last update I'm no longer a Solo-Dev. 😁Let's see if this goes faster with a little team. Also next update is planned to be split into smaller portions, so hopefully next small update is in January
You need the potion-set from Lucia, use it from the inventory and deliver the remaining potion to Stella after you'll ve done the Training Event with Stella and Jade.
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Well anyways Don. Overall I'm still happy you are trying to keep the Girls' body types as diverse possible. You actually listened to me and for the most part delivered on what you promised. Amazing work and I'm so happy to see the results. As someone dabbling in AI as well, I know it can take a long time to get the images just right, plus you sometimes need to use photoshop to paint and edit on extra parts that the AI model screws up. So don't listen to the critics diminishing your work because it's AI. I think you and your team are doing a great job.
If I can humbly request another thing for you to consider? Make sure that Aline has a distinct look compared to all the other girls: Jade's leaner, bottom heavy look, Stella's wide bulky look, and Gina's all-rounder bodybuilder look. Aline should have some kind of very distinct muscular appearance compared to the rest of them in my opinion. I think you should Google a specific body type and decide. Maybe a swimmer's body? MMA? Wrestling?
Thanks. It's really a lot of work in post-editing on PS :D
As for Aline: I gave control over her to one of my co-authors. She was Morlas' favourite char and he has been taking good care of her since then. So unless anything he writes contradicts with my story at large, he has pretty much free reign. So probably Aline's body type will be pretty balanced overall.
Would you be willing to at least step in a little bit and relay my message to your co-author in charge of Aline about keeping her muscular body type distinct/diverse compared to the other girls?
I will. Not a big deal
Much appreciated! <3
So after downloading 4.1.6, it says that my save from 4.1.5 (where I had to restart anyway) was now an old, unsupported one. does this mean that I will have to start over every update? absolutely loving the game so far and can't wait for more but not being able to use the same saves is rough.
Sadly many variables are getting changed over the updates. Since the 4.1.6 is mostly bug fixes, the old saves could work. But you might encounter certain bugs in combat since a lot of the variable structure is saved in the save-file.
As with the last skip-function we plan to add additional check-points in the future if save-game compatibility cannot be achieved.
okay. thanks.
I know this is probably too much work and you don't have to go this far but just regarding the consistency on the image sets for each stage of jade, I think your image sets are great for Jade_2 and Jade_3. When you get to Jade_4, I think the main issue is that she loses too much roundness to her face and her model looks a little too tall. So it looks like she aged 4-5 years from jade_3 to Jade_4. I know you're ridiculously swamped at the moment but if your team ever has time to tweak this I'd sincerely appreciate it.
Ah...some recognition for my huge work-load. 😊
Gotta see, I'm not unhappy with the Lvl-4 set. So I feel like currently I have more important image work ahead of me in regards to the Stella arc. We gotta finish the images there, as the writing is nearing its completion.
But I see your point.
Yeah... some if not most of the art is AI made and tweaked, not sure how that is a huge work load.
I need popcorn! 😲
I can't wait till the guy who helps me with my AI-stuff sees this! I'm too nice, but knowing him, he will have a soul-crushing retort.
Yeah I just think some more roundness to the face at lvl 4 would help keep her looking cuter. Since she's your "innocent pure hearted character" and her face elongates a bit. But it's fine. Seems like you don't have time so it is what it is. I will always support you regardless of my own opinions.
Don, What do you think of my model matchup? Any plans to tweak the "scale" when you put them all next to each other for the next arc?
Jade looking down on Gina would be kinda funny 😂
But her height is intended . And since Gina probably gets her height growth on reaching Lvl 5, my main girls are back in their proper height order then :D
Can't wait to see your default characters side by side like I edited here. I'm not sure how accurate this is but I lined them up and unless Jade shrinks down a bit more, her model at max size is taller than Gina. But shorter than Stella.
However, Gina and Jade are the same height if Jade is one size smaller. So lvl 3 jade = lvl 4 Gina in height. But lvl 4 Jade actually gets taller than lvl 4 Gina since Gina doesn't get taller. It's also crazy how drastically shorter Jade's old model looks in comparison. In conclusion, I think for now at least at the end of the Xici's lab arc Jade should end around lvl 3 vs lvl 4. Or somewhere in between like lvl 3.5 or something. Would be awkward to see her taller than Gina.
So how does Jade's current strength match up with Enzi at her peak? About the same now? What about with or without her pills? It's very hard to tier Enzi because he's got a smaller frame at least compared to some of the beefier looking characters but is extremely fast and he's mentioned that he purposely doesn't train for mass but for speed.
Very hypothetical question, since we don't know how Jade's story progresses 😅
Currently, with 2 pills Jade is at Lvl4. That's roughly the same strength Enzi has.
He is still more skilled than Jade though. Might take a while till she could best him.
Makes sense. And it would take even longer to go against her Grandfather because as we know in Anime land, Old men are always the strongest. Also Besting Enzi right now would completely trivialize the power scaling in your universe. I like that there's legit power scaling in Burlingfort. Unlike other FMG games, you are actually fleshing out the growth and progression of your girls.
How do I trigger the potion event with Stella? She's ben angry for over 40 days
Hi. Trigger for Stella's growth is:
Meaning you need the "Ginspy Roll" learned from Jade (dialogue at dojo), you need to have seen the Mike x Stella scene (dialogue with Mike or happens a week after delivering the potion automatically) and you need to have seen the Jade x Aline training events ( event-chain needs both finding an exploration event and doing a training with Aline on Gina - Strength_Level 4)
Unless the initial event hasn't started? You need either the potion set or the used set (aka. Transfer-Potion) in your inventory and visit her at the brothel.
The initial event hasn't started. But yes I do have the potion set in my inventory. Wait to replay I haven't played the game in a while
I just saw an old trigger that may cause a problem. Can you try to click the potion set in your inventory and then revisit Stella? Cause the old trigger might cause a bug while the whole potion set in owned, but if it's used once and only the transfer-potion remains, then it should trigger Stella's growth event properly.
So how many inches does jade grow approximately when she takes her pills?
All in all she grows 3 inches in the last arc.. although some of it is gradual and not instantly on taking the pills
And are those 3 inches from her largest size when she takes the pills or does she retain 3 inches after she shrinks back down?
So Don, if we were to do a size chart right now. In terms of pure muscle mass among the main cast, would this ranking be fair? What is your canon ranking at moment more or less? I'm doing this just based on the AI models I see. I keep forgetting if Stella is bigger than Gina atm or if Akari is bigger than Stella etc.
So in terms of total muscle mass I would say:
1) Tanya
2) Greg
3) Stella
4) Akari tied with Jonathan
6) Gina tied with Enzi tied with Jade after Jade takes 2 pills
7) Base Jade after pills wear off (possibly tied with Enzi here?)
8) Xici
9) Aline
11) Mike tied with Philip (AKA dollar store Tuxedo Mask)
What would you say is the correct ranking atm? Hard for me to gauge jade's new size as it's a bit difficult for me to figure out how tall she is before she takes her pills vs after.
A strength chart would be much easier 😅Then I could simply copy the stats from the character screen..
Guess you're mostly right. Stella is larger than Akari. Gina, Akari and buffed up Jade are roughly on the same level.
Mike didn't get a new model after the drain, but he's currently the weakest character ingame (ok, maybe still stronger than Lucia or Mabel 😏)
Ah so Stella is now larger than Akari. Would you say Akari is tied with Jonathan?
And Akari = Gina = Jade after her pills?
but Jade is slightly below Gina and Akari when her pills wear off?
More or less?
Sounds right..
Never seen Jonathan without his suit though. Strength-wise he's on par with Stella currently
I really just love the mysterious Jonathan. He's such a suave mood and so strong. Please don't ever weaken him or have Stella steal his strength or something. I love my muscle girls but guys need their time to shine too! <3
I am defending my guys like mad, don't you worry 😉
Thanks a lot for the kind words and the vote of confidence 😁
also want to see Xici's sibling lab assistants both grow a bit eventually. Xici's clearly a bit insecure about feeling powerless and it's funny. So to see her two lab Doctors start to test pills on themselves would be hilarious since Xici would obviously boil over. Like a little angry rabbit.
Posted a little image of a slightly bigger Susan on the Discord 😁But that was quite a while ago
When we finally see Jade next to Stella and Gina though, I'm still expecting Jade to have the smaller upper body, but a lower body that rivals both of them. Are you still going with this design overall?
So it's not quite clear given the text descriptions, but since Jade's white shirt rides up her torso to expose her abs after she takes her two pills does she actually just grow several inches taller after her dosage, but then shrinks back down afterwards?
Feedback-wise, I really liked the overall design you went with in all the Jade images: bottom heavy, thick strong thighs/legs and muscular core with shredded but still slimmer arms and shoulders compared to Gina and Stella. The only image I felt looked really inconsistent was the pull-up image where I think I think her upper body looks a bit too enormous.
Jade grew a few inches, but it's also her muscles and breasts pulling up the shirt a bit. That was intentional. We even had to inpaint those nice abs 😋
Also, who said Xici might be the main villain? 😅After so many alternatives were introduced in the current update.
Yeah, The only image I felt looked really inconsistent was the pull-up image where I think I think her upper body looks a bit too huge compared to how she looks in the base model for Jade_4. But then it's AI and can't be perfect plus Jade is always growing then shrinking back down while keeping a % of her gains.
then don't play the game. Stella is going through this in order to progress the story thats how the Don has it planned out so that's how its going to be.
You'll probably have a bad time on the next story arc with Stella in the lead role 😅
i apologize that was harsh and rude, I do enjoy your game and i will be looking forward to what happens next
No worries, we're cool 😉
Was mostly legitimate critique. I'd like to give more choice to the players, but the events unfolding because of that event with Stella reach so far into the future, that I would have needed to write two separate games if I didn't enforce it. 😅
i also dont like that there is no alternative way to deal with it. We need stella to become stronger but we already now that Ulric is still somewhere in the city and we cant try to find Dr that we talked about in cafe, he is opposing mafia so it can be a good way. Also we have magic store where could be an option to ask for a magic for stella for a price of 5-7k. I dont like that we are forced to give transfer potion to Stella, it also feels weird because Gina doesnt like the idea of using the potion herself and think it is extremely wrong to steal someone else hard work. And then she just gives that potion to stella after only few workouts with her. It feels completely out of character with plenty of other options that Gina knows about. If it is because we need an excuse to get rid of the potion so Gina couldn't use it later on bad guys than it is strange that it was added in first place. I would be pretty ok with just weak unexpired potion that we still found, no need for transfer potion if it never was intended to use by mc.
I love character discussion :D Let me see if some context helps out here...
Gina has a bad conscience for withholding information and keeping secrets from her friends already. She trusts Stella, since both fight back to back for their life in the Streets and she knows, that by not helping Stella anyway she can, she puts Stella at risk. With Stella confronting her, Gina is suddenly pressured for time, afraid to lose her only ally. The Doctor is in hiding, the magic shop bought out and she can't share the shakes, so any other option is uncertain.
Gina doesn't like using the potion, but she also knows the user can't take away strength by force. Stella cannot steal, just getting gifted other people's strength. And Gina never expected Stella to use it with such an efficiency. She believed this would be a minor boost to get her started.
Also the main goal wasn't only to make Stella stronger, but most importantly to drive away Jade into Xici's arms.
I just want to know how to trigger that event Stella has been angry for over 40 days.
I just want to know how to trigger that event Stella has been angry for over 40 days.
i have an error the image stella 5 combat neutral could not find the image
Thanks for telling me.
And sorry, I need to ask this question, since it's regularly the cause of many errors: Is this on an old save?
Cause some images were renamed to fit the new character screen.
yea its and old save
i have to start agin?
I get an error message once stella calls me
Fuck, that was fast.. did you send an error message or can you describe the error?
No way you reached that point this fast, right? 😅 Old saves will never work if that is the case...
I'm getting an error message too but during the 2nd conversation between Jade and Aline as the camera is panning over.
I just played through the entire thing without errors. This scene included... 😭
Send me an error code please. I'd like to get this sorted out since I probably can't reproduce the error on my end.
error resolved. guessed it might have had something to do with not meeting Aline since the update somehow
ohhh shit old save got it
Hehe, in the newest hotfix a warning gets displayed, if a player tries to load an incompatible old save 😎
When i download the android version, it keeps giving me the 0.2.3 build.
Damn, I may or may not have deleted the old compiled versions already 😔I know, I have some horrible organisation. I'll see if I can recompile it using gits version control.
If not I'll release the public build of the current version a few days earlier and spare me the effort? 😅
Happened when I got trounced by Enzi, between what seems to be his last line and the nighttime text
Thanks for Posting. Think this should be fixed in the current Test-Version.
Hey, just want to spread some encouragement because I see some negative comments below. This is the best FMG game I've played so far and you are crushing it. I saw the guy below complaining about Stella getting huge but when one dislikes another likes and I personally love the concept of the dominant bossy girl getting all the power.. I actually hold the unpopular opinon of wanting the dominant bossy girl to be the biggest so I loved this update. Thanks for your work!
Many thanks for the kind words. This makes my day :D
But don't you worry, I was well aware of the controversy Stella would create and I love how this development can be seen differently. I was actually more surprised on how many people liked Stella like this 😉
I've come around with it. I'm just super happy you actually listened to me regarding Jade.
I think what the game could really use though are a pair of muscular female and male villains. So far the main villains don't feel too threatening and the executioner just kind of seems like nothing more than an OP bodyguard.
Isn't it a fine coincidence we're doing a villain arc next? 😏
I wanted to agree that the executioner feels awkward and maybe even incoherent in the story's current incarnation.
It doesn't even make sense for Gina to be so incredulous about how big her mom was in that old picture because by then she's already seen the walking fridge woman that gives no fucks and doesn't particularly care for her job or have any investment in what's going on.
Given what the game is themed on, having the largest character so far coming across as virtually an afterthought is an . . . interesting choice. It would be like casting Roger Federer in The Prince of Tennis as a towel boy.
I'm curious if it is planned for this to be the only way to progress the plot, or if alternative methods of moving things along with Stella and Jade will be included.
If not, I can see why people might be bummed not just because Stella gets mean, but the player's ONLY means of progressing the story is to cave and do something that seems legitimately pretty darn shady.
I think most of us are fine with Stella getting huge and bossy. The "controversy" comes more from her getting huge through "cheating with drain magic that Gina just hands to her for free" and kind of being lazy at the gym vs training hard like Gina or Jade. That being said, Don told me it was intentional to snowball the effect with the other girls so I respect the decision.
As for unpopular opinions, I actually like this FMG game more than any other because this is the only FMG game I've played where the muscle girls go toe to toe with super muscular men. Usually the guys are just average and weak in FMG games but having the girls needing to muscle up to go against huge guys, makes their achievements that much cooler for me.
Hi, event is in, but a bit tricky to find. You have to buy the potion set from Lucia and use it in your inventory. One potion will remain, which you can deliver to Stella at the brothel.
Great game with great potential, but for the absolute love of god could you rewrite the parts with all the freudian psychobabble?
I get that you have no ill-intents and it's just being played for funny (buxom) laughs, but the thing is so wrong, so disingenuous and has been so harmful that it's a bit like the characters were joking about eugenics. If I can explain.
Surely didn't try to offend anyone with that. While I am aware that many theories of Freud have been revised or disproven, those are still present in the minds of many people, thus making them easy to understand for a broader audience. And after 9 month of writing, this is the first time I hear about them being compared to jokes about eugenics, especially since I felt like I didn't touch the most problematic topics of Freud.
However considering how deeply Gina's fictional characters are interwoven into the story by now, changing that would require an incredible amount of time. Maybe we can take them for what they are intended; as Gina's own imagination based on an partly outdated model that she just happens to know? 😅
*I mean*, it doesn't seem particularly difficult to rewrite them just in the way of good angel, bad angel (stemming from her "conscience", "morality" or even just fancies or personality cores rather than some hot and sour potato).
Then of course you'll have other priorities.. but I just wanted to underline how this representing a good chunk of what folk psychology is, is exactly the problem. Putting aside the indirect effect of making it seems like psychology as a whole is play-pretend unscientific voodoo, those concepts and their friends have helped to legitimize truly deranged shit. No offense taken or meant, but if we just let them finally die in silence we'd be in a better society.
That was an interesting read, thanks for sharing. Now I'd say lots of "good" things can be perverted in many ways, so not too surprising in the end. Still I would only attribute some of these deranged things to Freud loosely. I'm not too deep in the field, but from my understanding the idea of Freud was to move away from "unscientific voodoo", by analysing and naming core principals of how the mind works, thus founding and advancing the field of psychoanalysis (even if a lot of his stuff turned out to be wrong and represents a very outdated view on sexuality and genders).
Of course the best place to discuss the impact on Freud on the field of psychoanalysis and society in general is the comment section of a pervy FMG game 😂. I'd like too deepen this, but for the sake of absolute clarity, I kinda need those shoulder angels and devils in their respective forms for the coming story to make sense, so this would really be a lot of work rewriting them. And I'm drowning in work already 😑. So guess they'll have to remain as they are for now...
The guy was the unscientific voodoo actually, going from the "simple" mockery of people trying to look into his claims to straightup faking his reports. It's true that back in those days you had even more metaphysical theories of the mind (and any kind of "talk therapy" is better than none I guess?), but he kinda managed to pull the rug from most other legitimate clinical research after captivating the attention of the public opinion with his immediately bold and fancy claims. A wound that still hasn't completely healed today.
Then I'm sure people aren't checking their mental health with a game (and of course we are far from any particular apologism here), but conversely.. this is also how such concepts still linger and persist into folk psychology isn't it?
By all means, I wish all the best to the shoulder angels.
Also I really loved "The Kiss of Muscle Growth (Sandy-Path)" by ScriptBoy. The whole sibling appeal is the energy that comes with muscle growth FMG overriding your logical brain's forbidden or taboo warnings. Just like the whole Devil Gina and Angel Greg thing you have going on in Gina's Gym. Anything similar to that one that you can remember?
Jade should still be cute though! Remember that she's the innocent, studious foil to the not so innocent Stella!
Your team is working with you well! Nice job on the Jade look! I really appreciate how you are going to extra mile to make every muscular evolution of the core group of girls look different and unique and not just carbon copy bulky amazons who have bodies that all look like clones of your generic female bodybuilder AI generation. I hope you do the same with Aline! This is basically how I thought Jade's "final form" more or less should look like. Smaller arms, but very "tight" and lean muscle on the arms. Torso is incredibly muscular and shredded but still less "hulky" than Stella or Gina. But large powerful legs meant for kicking since this entire time with Enzi and her time with Gina, she's been defined as a "kick chick" martial artist. Nice job not going overboard with her boobs as well. Her shoulders are a little too broad for me but the prompt looks close enough. Try to stay on course and keep her build "bottom heavy" overall. I still think a subplot over her training with Enzi to land the ultimate kick to satisfy both him and her grandfather would be awesome.
I just saw the new Jade Designs on Patreon.
I'm so happy you're actually taking my advice. It means a lot to me. Looks great in Pic #2 and Pic #3. Arms are about the right size. Not too bulky, shredded, lean, built for speed!
I recommend her "final form" in the end should be "bottom heavy", with moderately muscular arms that are quite smaller than Stella's or Ginas but with curvy thick powerful looking legs and solid core torso with shredded abs. Jade is a kicking machine after all and less of a powerlifter like Stella or Gina. I really like this design direction so far based off of pics number 2 and 3! Superb! I really really love it! You and your team have done a fantastic job Don.
Thanks a lot to Geeb81, sr34x2, sssritian and episode_growth 😁 Your comments have brightened my day! I'll work hard to deliver in the future too!!
Hey Don? Just curious but I know you mentioned you like some muscle growth stories/games with FMG and brother/sister siblings. Which ones were you talking about?
I admit to NOTHING!!! My heart is pure as the fresh snow!!!
But a FRIEND OF MINE could have MAYBE recommended some weird stuff like "Lil' Sister Got SUPER-SIZED" by Gorgon or "The Kiss of Muscle Growth (Sandy-Path)" by ScriptBoy. There may have been some more, but those came to mind first 😅 Not looking specially for sibling-stuff, but I take no offense in it if the story is good.
I checked them out. I really liked "The Kiss of Muscle Growth (Sandy-Path)."
Just saw the second boss and I love it. Huge fan of those games, lovely reference.
This update has already been pretty great but that just made it even better lmao. Great game so far, love it.
Great update! Lots to discover in this version with events popping up when you least expect them. It encourages exploration!
Good work!
best fmg game i ever played
just keep making Gina bigger！i like her
Love it, great idea and passing
i can't wait to see Stella becoming more aggressive in her approaches <3
[SPOILERS] i really feel like there should be an option to not give stella the potion cause her superiority complex just becomes too much after that, and it makes me not want to play the game. But aside from that this is a really good game and i actually really like the character and story.
also because i thought stella was being mean I decided not to take her to the streets of rage second boss but her dialog still played I dont know if thats a bug or not. (fyi it was my first time at the second boss)
You weren't supposed to like Stella's antics (although a lot of people strangely did😅expected some, but not this many...) But she gets a character arc in one of the next updates, which will push her story further. Maybe even giving Gina the option to take her down a peg or let the player choose a direction for her. But that's for later, next up is Jade/Xici.
Streets dialogue is a bug. Have to rework it, thanks for telling me.
[SPOILERS] (fyi this is just my opinion and you can do what ever you want with the future of your game, i am very excited to see where you take it.) BUT, ANTICS SHE ALMOST KILLED SOMEONE, and i could tell with every fiber of my being that giving her that potion was a bad idea, i spent a lot of time trying to find a way around giving her the potion, i though maybe i could just motivate her to work harder and stay positive. BUT NOOO, SHE SUCKS AT TRAINING COMPLAINS ABOUT IT AND I HAVE TO FIX IT, AND YES I KNOW IM JEALOUS ABOUT HER SURPASSING ME INSTANDLY. I WAS SOOO EXCITED TO SEE HOW I COULD USE THAT POTION TO MAKE GINA STRONGER. also i feel really bad for mike, he obviously worked really hard to get were he was and even though he does enjoy muscular girls it doesn't feel like this is how it should have gone. I think that adding a way to make stella grow naturally or with a small boost would be a lot better. (again i'd like to say that the game is great and i feel like these feel im having are a direct result of good characters and writing.)
[SPOILERS] Hehe! Love hearing feedback of any kind. I like to improve after all. And I find it charming that my characters can cause these kinds of emotions. (you are not alone in this 😏 My DMs on Discord were full of people wanting to discuss this)
But sorry, no way around her getting that potion.😅 I needed it for the story with Jade to happen after all, so Stella took one for the team by becoming this bitchy. No other girl would have gotten drunk on power like her and acted on her dominant side towards everyone she was jealous of.
But I'd say there was never any mortal danger for James. Just some scare tactics from our "little" prostitute, who can be very good at acting. Ok, she enjoyed it too 😆But she's not really evil! She wouldn't kill anyone!
Ngl, I got 3 "you pesky mothaf-" moments, mostly on this update's end, you better behave with Jade I swear to God
Jade kinda has the power to turn every scene into a damn wholesome cuddle-party. I remember trying to write some perverted scenes with the nuns using her and see how that turned out. So currently I worry more about the integrity of my villains than about Jade 😂
Then again, I'm a "pesky mothaf-", so let's see how this plays out. 😈
You just fed my fears 😖😖😖
Really anxious about your Jade muscle growth re-design considering the "preview files" i found in an older copy of your game's package contents, which kind of showed muscle Jade as basically looking more or less the same as Gina's body but with jade's face. I think the biggest issue I had was that it physically seemed to age up jade in mature ways that weren't really consistent with her "cute Sifu" type of vibe which I think you should still maintain at least appearance wise.
I'm still very much liking my idea for the new Jade to be primarily "leg focused" with a leaner upper body and also determined to someday land the ultimate kick which she will practice with Enzi a lot.
These old Files really are the bane of my existance 😅 If all goes by plan, you'll see Jade in all her new muscular glory in roughly 3 weeks.
We will try for a Focus on legs and core, while keeping shoulders and arms just slightly slimmer to keep a Part of her cute/girlish aesthetic. Of course her build has to look proportional to a degree, so still expect some mass on the upper body.
Yeah of course. Again, it's all about making each character look distinct. I mean look at Bayshore Academy one of your favorite FMG games of all time. Each character looks pretty different. Mia is generally smaller, shorter, and leaner relative to the other girls but still very muscular and has the most shredded body and relative to the Male MC she's still even with him in height and more muscular after her second growth spurt. Jessica is tall and has a large upper body but also has an enormous ass and huge legs. Elena is the biggest by far with both a huge upper and lower body and is very tall. Sophia has about the same muscle mass as Mia but huge boobs compared to everyone else. So yeah it pays off to have everyone look unique and distinct. I'm actually hoping that you will go the extra mile and make each muscular character look MORE distinct body-type wise compared to Bayshore academy. Fingers crossed!
Hello. Patreon stopped accepting all of my cards. Any other way to donate?
Not sure.. I think I could use Paypal too on other Patreons. I could look into it, but for now just enjoy for free. Will only become relevant on the next update then.
Thank you! Honestly there are only four games on Patreon where I almost don't care about benefits and just want them to have my money. Yours is one of them. And btw yours is the only one with AI art.
In that case I'm very lucky, cause my benefits are honestly terrible 😅Not like I don't have any lofty ideas, but I always end up rather working on the game directly than making anything special for patreon.
Seeing how the dev log is, I'm guessing 3 months per update
Pretty much was like this till now. But since the last update I'm no longer a Solo-Dev. 😁Let's see if this goes faster with a little team. Also next update is planned to be split into smaller portions, so hopefully next small update is in January
How do i help Stella to grow?
I should start making a FAQ 😅
You need the potion-set from Lucia, use it from the inventory and deliver the remaining potion to Stella after you'll ve done the Training Event with Stella and Jade.
Uhh, what about Jade then =)
That is on the next update..