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Hirkondev Moydogren

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I would like to know if there would be some kind of "Rise and Fall" mechanic to this game. By that, I mean the idea that empires/nations/civilizations are born, rise, sometimes almost rule the world, and then they're gone. For example, I've saw a lot of timelapses of games like Civilization, EU4, Hearts of Iron, etc., where they always end the same way: one empire, from the beggining of the game, takes all the land in the world and that's that; when you look at history, in my opinion, things are FAR more interesting. Take the Mongol Empire: they were pretty much founded in a generation during the Middle Ages, and given it's maximum size, it looked like they COULD rule the world... and them it fragmented in several "small" (relatively speaking) pieces until pretty much disappearing after a while. Same thing with the Roman Empire: sure, it's influence is still seen today, but it's gone right now. This is a mechanic that games like Galimulator do well: every empire come, grown, fragments itself and go. In the video bellow:

One can even delineate "epochs" with this kind of simulation, as Tyler Larsen did in his comment. Those are not hard-coded, as you can see: they are a natural emergent feature from the Rise and Fall mechanic I'm talking about.
Of course, though, that implementing such a thing would come with a price in terms of computer resource usage. If Civilization had this kind of mechanics, there wouldn't be 16, 24, 32 players, that could be easily more than a hundred of civilizations during the curse of a single game. Galimulator works around this by having a rather simple simulation, which is the opposite of what SotE seeks to be. Do you think a mechanic like this is viable in SotE?

They are different, but I thought that this method would be, at the cost of being less realistic, easier on the computer than an actual global circulation mode

Thanks for the answer. I understand how hard is to model a climate properly, that's why I thought that using a simpler model with convicing (even if not entirely realistic) results could help. One problem I have with the current model in sote is that climates seems to appear in well defined bands. Sure, I know that they roughly works like this in real life, but Mediterranean climates, for example, in my worlds often ends up like an ellipsoid shape strechting into the continent. In real life, the borders between climates tends to be "noisier", in sote they're pretty much straight lines. I don't know if this could be the reason, but perharps the influence of lattitude is too strong compared to others like topography?

Compare with the map on this link ( https://www.cartographersguild.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=96147&d=149606354...)the climates doesn't seem to follow a very strong banded pattern. Here, AAzélor trriedd to apply his method do draw the climates of a Pangaea-like world (maybe this IS pangaea, but the right half of the continent looks weird to me, I think). He even took into account the fact that the planet was overall warmer during this time, because of a stronger greenhouse effect, so we could add the possibilty to manipulate some constants to this process to allow less Earth-like conditions. I think that, in the end, my point here is a balance between realism and "uniqueness"; most of the worlds I produce in sote are really unique in terms of topography, but they always seems to follow this "striped" pattern too close.

Now, I admit that a huge shortcoming of this system would be to make emergent climate features (like the global weather influence of a major eruption, effects of global warming/cooling, etc.) harder to implement, so this should be considered as well; the downside is that, with this method, once generated, climate would pretty much be done, and could be harder to calculate interesting variables with it given that we brushed-off or over-simplyfied a lot of important aspects.

One thing that still bugs me about SotE is it's climate model, the results doesn't seem very realistic to me. Now, of course I DO understand how hard is to get realistic results using climate models, even dedicated computers have a hard time calculating them! So my idea was to see if it was possible to implement what I think it would be a much more easier model to calculate, because it really isn't that much of a model, to be fair. I'm talking about Pixie's approach to calculate climates in a fictional planet as described on this thread from Cartographer's Guild:
https://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=27118
For one side, I'm sure this result isn't 100% accurate either, but I think that, from an user's point of view, the climates as showed in Pixie's continent are pretty nice-looking. I also believe that, as I said, it might be easier for the computer to calculate something like this. I think the problem would be to ask the computer to approximate how it would draw ocean currents, or the pressssure zones, but once this is done, I'mm fairly certain that the rest would be pretty straightforward.
I also like this approach because it could give us some parameters to mess arounnd with the world's climate, that could change the end results. For example, we could add some sorte o multiplicative factor for temperature calculations that would increase or decrease the average temperature of the planet, and thus change the placement of biomes (fewer, smaller tropical rainforests, for example). Or perharps change the influence of winds, so maybe we could affect how mediterranean climates appear? 

As I said, this is not meant to be a realistic approach to climate. It's just to give a somewhat nice result whithout too much work for the computer to do. But I shoud stress that I'm not any kind of expert in programming or how computers work, how such model would be implemented, or even if is it feasible at all, I'm just giving a suggestion to see if it could work.

TThanks for the answer!! I was running some simulations, and I noticed that after a while (100 years, maybe) empires attacks less each  other, because one religion ends up dominating the map, and empires gain a huge boost in relationship for sharing the same religion. One solution would it be to forbid peace and alliances, but I kind of like them, it gives the smaller empires a chance to unite against the bigger ones. Is there a way to change religions parameters in sanbox mode?

Is there a way to make the empires develop in a single-way fashion? For example, all empires should follow the path expanding->fortfying->degenerating->rioting->all will be ashes. The moment they change states would still be random, but they could not change back to a previous state (a degenerating empire can change to a rioting state, but not to an expanding or fortfying state). Is it possible to do so in the current game?