Why do so many people want NSFW games? Are pornographic games really that appealing?
2nding this. From the moment you give a company the right to dictate what you can or can not consume, there is absolutely no guarantee they will stop. First it's the NSFW games, because they are immoral because just gooners consume them and those should get a life anyways. Then it's LGBT content, because it's almost sexual anyways. Then it's any games with more mature themes, like complicated interpersonal relationships, opression of the system, etc etc. Companies aren't only greedy for cash, but for control as well
NLCH's idea is right, however, it's tad more complex than "you give a company the right to dictate what you can or can not consume".
Raw biology and common sense dictate that social superstructures have to care about members of said structures (citizens) propagating successfully. Said social superstructures' populations will dwindle otherwise, and superstructures themselves would gonna disappear as a result.
Inappropriate porn (guro, pedo, bestiality, whatever glorifies unhealthy sexual intercourse) affects these matters directly.
Payment gateway providers, for some reason, got sick of this bullshit and pulled the plug so hard so even Steam (with all their indifference) was shaken a little. Despite them [payment providers] not giving a damn about anything but profits. Something bigger scared them, apparently. Which is weird to see - however, it's only about 1/2 of the real problem. And it - believe me or not - is a lesser half.
Now, this probably will gonna have me permabanned here too, however, I'll take a liberty to tell about second half of the problem without self-censoring things too much. I'll damn explode otherwise. This thought is pestering me since one of Patreon purges of 2018, time to spill it a little.
The second half of the problem is that you can't just ban things blindly.
You have to provide alternatives.
Reasonable, sensible alternatives.
Example from our grim past: various sexual deviations were banned in Germany in late-to-middle of past century.
HOWEVER
An alternative was offered. As a matter of fact, more than one, unified by a singular relatively sane idea.
A culture of appreciation of healthy human body. And an encouragement to give birth to healthy children.
Do note that I refer to this specific point of space-time as an example of a right IDEA about "how and why should we deal with porn". Not as an example of right EXECUTION of said idea (since it's obvious that the execution was shite and the world would be a bit better place if all that shite wouldn't happen).
Yes, current carpet-bans of payments to prawn creators puts the author(s) of this idea well below German politicians of 193x. Simply because payment ban initiators didn't offered any sane alternative AT ALL.
> Then it's LGBT content, because it's almost sexual anyways.
Please stop dragging LGBTQ+ into this.
Structures which support this stuff officially deserved this specific predicament by doing everything to make healthy relationships between heterosexual people viewed as a deviation.
I'll probably change my mind once I won't have to guess the gender of displayed person in whatever new porn piece of "art" ended up on my desktop. I have to guess too damn often nowadays.
> Why do so many people want NSFW games?
You've skipped biology classes, did you?
Living entities (Homo Sapiens Sapiens included, unfortunately) have to procreate somehow. They'll accumulate stress otherwise. Once enough stress would gonna accumulate this way, sais sapient sapienses might start having weird sprees of inappropriate behavior. Simply because procreation is in our nature - and our instincts don't give a rat's ass about circumstances being highly incompatible with raising able and happy children (in this specific statement I mostly refer to my country - however, many people worldwide might relate to this for similar reasons). And sometimes our instincts are way stronger than our reason AND local laws combined.
If biology is not an authority - have a looksie at real-world communities which, for whatever global enough and strong enoughreason, have banned everything except sex with purpose of conceiving a child. Then think again. I had an intent to refer to a specific (quite huge) community - however, I already got permabanned with a reason "[OMITTED]phobia" for doing so in one (thanks goodness it's not itch.io) and I'm not quite eager to tempt fate again... yet. We're all adult people here (if you're still a little angel, leave the room. We'll be glad to see you again once you're an adult) and we all probably understant which group I'm referring to anyway.
NSFW art (games included) is a nice way to fend off some stress built up by said biological urges and bodily demands. With or without having specific interactions with one's body. Sometimes even sheer visual appreciation of tasteful enough beauty does wonders.
Like, I in sound mind understand that sometimes even best of us have animalistic urges of inappropriate.
I work with people. I'm working with people for 18 (eighteen) years.
And I never did ANYTINHG incriminating to any of my colleagues and clients - thanks to timely and carefully measured usage of porn. Despite being surrounded by beautiful ladies much more often than I can afford urge-wise.
> Are pornographic games really that appealing?
Most are not. Quite the opposite usually. Too many fetishes, too many developers trying to appease everyone at once (and failing horribly)... too few developers actually respecting consumer's right to skip things said consumer does not like...
All in all, porn games niche is in indefinite crisis since... for how long? Probably since Leisure Suit Larry 7 release. I don't remember any games of similar quality being released afterwards.
HOWEVER
Unfortunately, we live in times when arrogant youngsters (and leftovers of various abhorrent subcultures of internets of the past) live with "the worse - the better" motto.
Which, as a side effect, causes already-downwards-pointing spiral of porn games quality spin downwards faster, way faster...
Today's situation is a culmination of that.
Common folk couldn't get rid of content they don't want to see because this shit is leaking everywhere. And modern-day popular business models, on the contrary, encourage game developers to smear their shit all over the face of any player they might reach. Without informing them what they're about to do beforehead.
So grey suits took matters into their own hands. Surprisingly. For once, their interests coincided with interests of vanilla people.
So... d'oh...
I'm mildly confused that, instead of returning "ART" and "COMMON SENSE" into porn games, people do shittalking.
Why do so many people want NSFW games?
They don't. That's why those games are under attack. It is an easy target. Publicly defending them is something few players of such games will do. But attacking such games is a thing many "concerned citicens" will do as a lip service, making it easy for fanatics to have their way.
Itch has a sizeable amount of adult games, compared to other platforms, because they allow indie games that are unfinished and free games and till the recent trouble games with certain content that was not allowed on Patreon. It has maybe 10 times the games that are published on Nutaku. That's a very rough estimate. Nutaku has about 1k games. Itch about 10k if you do not count double entries and shovelware.
Adult games are a nieche, like any other. You could easily ask, why so many people want horror games - and those are played by far more people than adult games. Or why people want retro graphics. Or kinetic visual novels. Or idle games. Or video games in general.
One can make an argument against any nieche of games anything.
If it is not your cup of tea, you will not understand it and it will bewilder you from the outside. That's true for just about any recreational activity. Collecting stamps comes to mind. Or something more controversial: playing war games. Be it table top or as a video games. Why do so many people want games about war? Why are tv shows about murder so popular? Why are stories and drama about love and romance so popular?
Oh, and yes, pornography is appealing. Even among the oldest prehistoric depictions you will find porn. It stands to reason that a topic so prevalent in human behaviour will have games about it.
There is games about war, but people question games with porn. That's what's wrong in all these discussions. There is "innocent" Civilizations game series that will have you commit genocide. For fun.
NSFW works are legal if senators or other groups ban something that is legal because they don't like it then it is obvious that they will continue to ban other kinds of legal material like games that contain a bit of violence because they will say it is dangerous and PUMP start banning music or any other kind of media that they consider harmful and before you know it you won't be able to consume material that you used to be able to just because a bunch of people decided out of the blue that you can or can't watch it. and when you least expect it you won't be able to consume material that you could before just because a bunch of people decided out of the blue that you can or can't watch regardless of whether it's SFW or NSFWb you should stop consuming it in peace as long as it's legal, losing this right would basically be going back years in the basic construction of human rights and believe me that is not a very nice thing to do and this happened before with books.
Citation needed.
If some people really do use that term, I strongly disagree with that usage in that context. And also with the reasoning behind it.
Vegans do not care about humans. They care about animals. A porn movie where they wear leather would not be vegan.
While you will find people that are exploited in porn, you will find such people in every business and industry. Porn is not an exception. And game development is not an exception either.
Also, you compare movies with games. Use it for hentai, if you must.
Might be lost in translation.
I get the meaning of "not the real deal". Like vegan meat. In that sense you might use it for hentai.
Making the step from not the real deal to also not being passive but an active medium is too much for my language sense.
Also, vegan porn does have a somewhat established meaning. A quite literal meaning. It is porn by, from, with or for vegans. In the most blatant sense, it involves certain vegetables.
There is vegan water. Not kidding. It is water bottles that promise not to use glue made from animals for the labels and not use gelatin for filtering the water. And there are bottled beverages that do use gelatine for filtering. That's actually involved for a lot of beverages, though it is less used in large scale productions.
I would not go so far, but I agree that some things better stay in fiction. Like war.
Maybe some terms are not problematic in your country, but maybe reconsider using perverted person as a term. It was used for anything lgbt and is still used by some. It is a catch it all term to describe anything that is against one's own morals, standards and so on. It also was and is used to justify all sorts of things.
Like the actions of those activsts. From their point of view, all porn and all people that watch it and all nsfw games and all people that play them are the perverted people.
Here, the word “pervert” is not interpreted that way. Thank you for clarifying. I don't mean to disparage anyone. I simply mean that people's sexuality should be channeled appropriately, in the right channels. If it is repressed, people create problems that sometimes even end in tragedy.
When I said “pervert,” I was referring to what, at least in Spanish, is the scientific usage in psychology, when a person is turned on by only one thing and nothing else, it is said that the person has developed a “perversion.”
Generally porn sucks, games, movies, whatever, no one watches it for its story or production quality. Where these bans hurt is in legitimate content that includes adult (or other controversial) content. Imagine if someone created the next Game of Thrones or the Witcher, but no one ever gets to see it because all nsfw content was banned?